101. Kyle Robins, DO
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Dr. Kyle Robins: [00:00:00] Study the word face in the scriptures, look up all instances where it says face. And you'll see there's three subjects. One is seeking the face of God. So when we are in a righteous state, we seek and try to seek the face of God. Another is God hiding his face from us if we are in a wicked state.

Dr. Kyle Robins: And the other kind of similar to that would be us hiding our face from God. And so again wicked state. I think we're in a wicked state in our society.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He started as I graduated. And so we have that connection even though we never met each other until about a year into my fight and I get a text message and then we have a phone conversation and he's he tells me, I want to quit lying. I don't want to live in lies anymore. What do I need to do to quit wearing the mask when I see patients?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Kyle Robbins, Dr. Kyle Robbins. Pleasure to have you on. Great to see you face to face for the first time.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah, I'm excited to be here. It's the time of your story. Tell me what happened. I'll listen to all your podcasts and I'm excited. Yeah. Just like basically everyone else, that all of your followers, from the very beginning, things were a little fishy, all the mandates,

Dr. Kyle Robins: all the measures that we were taking, it didn't make sense. Why are we quarantining healthy people? Why are we masking people that are asymptomatic?

Dr. Kyle Robins: Why [00:03:00] are we shutting down free speech and all this stuff? I had my concerns from the very beginning. And even at the, from the start. There was plenty of research out there to show that masks don't help. I guess I, I did what, we're supposed to do. And so I was compliant and everything. But then they started coming out with the vaccine and I, along with everyone else, a few others chose to not get the vaccine. It was actually interesting. They called us all together. Yeah. So if you recall back in, in 2020, we were all isolated. It was hard to find out who was awake and who wasn't, who was for the vaccine and who wasn't, because if you spoke out then, you can get canceled. You get, It was just a hostile environment. But they called us together to have our counseling.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Anyone that put in an accommodation or was refusing the vaccine called us together to get our counseling for that, which was [00:04:00] actually a blessing because I met some other people that were. Like minded some guys that works at my clinic and major O as a psychiatrist. So we were actually able to get to know each other.

Dr. Kyle Robins: I had not met them prior to this. And so made new friends and then started networking. And I recall there's, I think an army times article that talked about the underground networks. Of the COVID conspires or whatever, and it was true,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: A little to inform that a bit more.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So some of those guys that you ran into they had reached out to me a couple of months prior. So this is maybe July of. I think it was 21. I could be mistaken, but I think it was July of 21. I was in a closed Facebook group for military physicians, mostly army physicians, and the administrator, who's a full bird colonel silenced me for about a week in that chat group because I was causing so much drama [00:05:00] because people were harassing me.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So they silenced me because I was being harassed. And that led to A physician reaching out to me, and then they had a little texting group, and then that blossomed into what I end up calling the Nehemiah group. And it's this texting group of about, ah, probably 30 or so, mostly active duty, mostly physicians and it was a way that we could encourage each other.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, I'm not going to mention any names of anyone who's in that chat group because some of them, most of them are out of the military at this point, but some of them are still in the military and it's just a way that we can encourage each other. The times article you were talking about makes it sound like we were, trying to overthrow the government.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not at all. We were just trying to encourage each other because there was a concerted effort to separate, divide, isolate, and then attack us.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And, is it I feel, I believe everyone in the group is faith based, Christian believes strongly in god and that is the moral compass for all of them. And like you said, it was a place for us to come together [00:06:00] to, seek that refuge.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one more thing about that group is it's not only un vaxxed people. There, there's a few physicians that are vaxxed. There is one that we did have to remove from the group because. It just wasn't the right group for him.

Dr. Kyle Robins: But yeah, so that, that's the early on COVID phase. I put in a religious accommodation for that and it was interesting cause I didn't know what to include in that, but I put in my RA that was two years ago. I think it was if I recall, it was August 15th and I have not

Dr. Kyle Robins: heard, oh yeah, religious accommodation. All right. I have not heard anything

Dr. Kyle Robins: from the army on that at all. No initial appeals or denials or anything just went up into the ether and I don't know did human resources, did they get that or did they not?[00:07:00] But yeah,

Dr. Kyle Robins: so I, I had that that religious accommodation submitted shortly after that they decided to

Dr. Kyle Robins: implement a mandatory testing twice weekly which I also fought cause that's unlawful.

Dr. Kyle Robins: There's no medical reasoning behind it. I was asymptomatic. I was perfectly healthy, no cough, no sniffles, nothing like that. And, why are, like, why are we doing this? It was, it absolutely was vindictive. You didn't get the vax. You are going to get, a swab shoved up your nose. So I thought that I told my command, hey, this, it's not lawful. These are emergency use authorized. They're, they aren't fully tested. We don't know everything about these. The law prohibits it. And they fought it. They, they argued with me. I actually talked to a couple of lawyers and. They agreed with me that,

Dr. Kyle Robins: yeah, it's not lawful, but Oh, you're in a losing battle. So I didn't get tested for, a week and a half, three of [00:08:00] those. And I got counseled each time. And then I got the threat that, if you keep on declining the test, we're going to have to escalate this and it's going to have some pretty serious negative outcome. And so again, I talked to the lawyers and they're like, yeah, it's a losing battle. I caved on that and I got tested a few times, but then interestingly enough I think this mandate only lasted like a month and a half or something. Actually probably a month and then they rescinded it. So I continued on. Working in the clinic. And I don't think I mentioned I work at Desmond Doss out in Hawaii, Schofield barracks. I work at an urgent care. Yeah, if anyone's sick, we're the ones seeing them. If they feel like they have COVID, we see them. The embedded clinics, they are pretty good, but we are walking, so we'll take anyone. The other thing I wanted to mention with the vaccine. I was pretty outspoken with my medics. I have a great relationship with all of them and the nurse and stuff. And I would say at least half of my [00:09:00] medics did not

Dr. Kyle Robins: want to get the jab. But when push came to shove, the deadline came. I show up to work. I had not. Gotten the shot and all of my medics had gotten it and all the nurses except for one one civilian And so that that just broke my heart because I was a major at the time You know, there's plenty of people that outrank me, but I have you know as a major you have a little bit of clout Whereas these medics they're specialists sergeants.

Dr. Kyle Robins: They felt like they had no other options They felt like they could not stand up for themselves. They had to do what big army said to do. Which was sad, they all got vaccinated. Thankfully none of them have had bad outcomes from it which we are seeing a lot of in the army now in the military, but, as far as I'm aware, even the ones that have PCS or ETS thankfully, nobody has myocarditis or anything like that. Let's see.[00:10:00]

Dr. Kyle Robins: So that's the early stages of COVID. Again, going throughout the whole. That whole

Dr. Kyle Robins: time I was irritated with all the mandates that were going on and the mask and, the silencing, the propaganda against cheap and effective medications like hydroxychloroquine, which had been shown to be effective against SARS one and ivermectin, which, both of those medications have ample studies showing their effectiveness, but Yeah, just irritated and confused as to why we, we were so close minded, focused on just the vaccine. In march of 2022 after lots of study, lots of

Dr. Kyle Robins: fasting and prayer seeking guidance from God, I decided, you know what? I can't do this anymore. I took the Hippocratic oath, which said do no harm. And people are coming to me looking for [00:11:00] medical guidance. And if I'm there wearing a mask, talking to them so they can't see me, can't hear me, you can't. I'm a hypocrite if I do that and, I believe that it's not helpful and it's harmful and the evidence suggests that, it's pretty solid that it's it's harmful and it's ineffective. And if I wear a mask, then I'm portraying a falsehood and perpetuating that falsehood. So again, it wasn't just the medical evidence, the research that solidified my my decision, but it was praying to God getting his guidance. Cause I don't think I could have just done it with my intellectual knowledge. Cause I'm definitely lacking a lot in that area, but so I decided, I'm going to stop wearing the mask. And I got a little

Dr. Kyle Robins: pushback from my OIC. He's a great friend of mine. He had, he gave me a few gentle [00:12:00] reminders. Oh, you got to wear a mask up. Policy is to wear a mask and I just yeah, it didn't follow. I was never rude, never, never anything like that, but I just never wore it.

Dr. Kyle Robins: And. So I did that for 3 months,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: let me pause you for a second because I want to make it clear that I have a previous guest that came on and he actually went to court martial and was convicted for not testing and not wearing a mask. And both of those these tests and the mass were covered under emergency use authorization, meaning under 10 U.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: S. C. 1107 alpha. It is unlawful and illegal to tell a service member to use any product that's covered under emergency use authorization. So you have the law on your side. I want to let all the listeners understand that it doesn't matter if it's a policy of the clinic. The policy of the clinic cannot supersede United States.

Dr. Kyle Robins: At the time, I actually didn't [00:13:00] realize that the masks were EUA, emergency use authorized. But yeah, so I went without the mask for three months. And then in May of 2022 the clinic commander came walking through and he saw me without a mask. Funny enough, he didn't really approach me himself, or try to correct me himself. He sent that down his chain of command. I don't know. But yeah, so the next day my OIC talks to me he says, Hey, command saw you without a mask. We need you to wear a mask. And then I hop on my computer check outlook and the deputy commander had sent. An email, a mass email to the whole clinic saying, Hey, this is the policy. We all need to wear a mask. So I was like obviously this is directed at me. So I went and talked to I wanted to talk to the clinic commander, but got routed to the deputy commander. And. Told them my reasoning as I told him, I [00:14:00] was like, Hey, I can't, this is not an order I can follow. They are mass are ineffective and they are harmful. We've, we didn't understand the harms of mass at the beginning of the pandemic. But we do now we've seen significant issues, not I would say mostly in children. There's a huge increase in speech impediments and cognitive

Dr. Kyle Robins: delays. We are social creatures. God designed us to interact with one another. And for a kid to only see this, all the time, they are not going to develop appropriately. They aren't going to learn how to speak. They aren't going to learn social interactions. They're just going to have troubles. And I don't... We don't know, but I don't think that they will ever fully correct from that. We'll see. I gave him that reasoning. I asked for some accommodations, anyone who is coming into the clinic with COVID symptoms, we have them marked as virtual so we would give them a call and talk to them and [00:15:00] if we deem that they need to come in we'd bring them in but otherwise we typically just would test them and send them on their way, send them home with quarters. So I asked to just do the virtual stuff. And that, that was, I'd say that was probably a third of our patient load. So it pretty significant portion. So if we're seeing, if we have four or five providers, I'm seeing a third of them. So I thought that was pretty fair, but he didn't want that. And so sent me back to the clinic, but I was not allowed to enter the clinic without a mask. And so there was a, Fun little, couple days where I tried working out on the ambulance bay, and that's not what they wanted, and I eventually got sent home for a week while they deliberated and tried to decide what to do with me. Is this when you were seeing patients outside? During that time, yeah, I saw patients outside. So

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I love it the workarounds. [00:16:00]

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah. Yeah. It was weird. At one point I was actually sitting in my car in the parking lot

Dr. Kyle Robins: calling patients. I was like, this is so dumb. And I was, it was summer. I was baking so hot. And so that's when they sent me home. But during that time, I actually submitted

Dr. Kyle Robins: a religious accommodation for the mask. And I would encourage all of your listeners to do this. Yeah. Study the word face in the scriptures, look up all instances where it says face and you'll see there's three three themes there or three subjects. So one is seeking the face of God. So when we are in a righteous state, we see and try to seek the face of God. Another is God hiding his face from us. If we are in a wicked state and the other kind of similar to that would be us hiding our face from God and so again wicked state. And[00:17:00] I think we're in a wicked state in our society. We are embracing all sorts of falsehoods and evil and promoting it. And I think this is a literal hiding our face from God. And so I submitted that, to my command and I don't think it got anywhere. It was actually during this time that I reached out to you Mark Bashaw and you connected me with Davis Yance and a few other freedom fighting attorneys. And that's actually when I found out that all masks are under emergency use authorization. So bye bye. Cannot be mandated. So of course, upon hearing that I submitted that, I told my command about that the response was this was vetted by the army attorneys. So it's fine. All right. It's you giving that order, not them.

Dr. Kyle Robins: So it's probably something you want to look into, but yeah, so that got dismissed also. So [00:18:00] anyways, I got sent home for a week while they tried to decide what to do with me. If you remember, I requested for accommodations to do the virtual. So after punishing me, they decided, yeah we're going to do the virtual. So they sent me to a remote clinic. Desmond Doffs, for those that have been there, you'll know this, but it's shaped in a U. So you got. The urgent cares like down here, they sent me all the way up to this clinic up here. So I was on the second floor in the very back very, like very last hallway or very last office in that hallway. It's there, there's a few public health nurses. That work there, but otherwise there's it's a non patient care area. Nobody goes up there. And my instructions were, you're going to go up here. You're going to go to your office. You're not going to talk to anyone. And you're just going to call virtual patients, which isolation is also. A an unlawful [00:19:00] order. They don't have that authorization

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: to authorize. Someone is illegal and unlawful as well.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yes. So now did I follow that? No, I actually became really good friends with those public health nurses. And, I was a little apprehensive at first because their public health. And so my thought was, Oh they're seeing all these cases of COVID. And when all is positive COVID, you're going to think things are worse than they are on the ground, so I thought they were, I thought they'd be following the narrative, but it turned out I was sitting in my office one day and I hear one of the guys talking about shoot, what's it called?

Dr. Kyle Robins: When when you change a virus to be more harmful or

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: the mutations.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No,

Dr. Kyle Robins: I don't know what whatever the Wuhan lab was doing. They changed to make more Oh, the gain of function. Yes. They, I hear gain of function research and I was like, ding. [00:20:00] Let me go talk to him. He's obviously awake. And then I talked to a few others and yeah so I actually ended up becoming pretty good friends with them. But yeah, so while I was up there, I continued to call all the virtuals, virtual appointments, and it made me laugh because, of all of the providers in the urgent care, I'm the most likely to say, Hey, you know what? COVID's just influenza. You don't need a test because for a 25 year old guy that has flu like symptoms, if you have the flu, I'm not going to test you because

Dr. Kyle Robins: it's not going to change anything. If you have COVID, I'll do the same thing. I'll send you home because you feel like crud. Yeah it made me laugh that I was the one taking care of the COVID patients, but yeah, so I was up there. I don't even remember how long I was

Dr. Kyle Robins: isolated in my office. I definitely found plenty of time to. Swing down to the urgent care and hang out with the medics and nurses and stuff.[00:21:00] But yeah, so during that time I did get an article 90, that was in June of 2022. So that is failure to obey a lawful order from a commanding officer. Wow. So I got an article 90 for that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not a lawful order. It goes against 10 U. S. C. 1107 Alpha. It's mind blowing what

Dr. Kyle Robins: they're doing here. Yep. And so I put that in my counseling statement for that. That, it's not a lawful order. It's EUA. But this, that resulted in a GOMER, General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand. That was in August. And it, again, it made me laugh because in the GOMER. Yeah, it's an honor to be in that club, but in that Gomer, they said,

Dr. Kyle Robins: we're considering putting this in your permanent file. We will consider any rebuttal that you put in. My thought was, I've given you everything. I've told you [00:22:00] that the masks are harmful. I've told you that they're ineffective. And more importantly, I've told you that order is unlawful. So it's whatever I submit, it's not going to change anything.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When I was given that option, when I was given that option of, Hey, watch out, this is going to go in your permanent file, my response was my permanent file is not on earth.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's with our Lord in heaven. That solidified it going into my earthly

Dr. Kyle Robins: permanent file. Yes, I'll frame that gomor, but yeah, so I don't know if this is policy

Dr. Kyle Robins: everywhere, but I've heard it's policy here in Hawaii. If you get a gomor, that automatically triggers an elimination. September I got a memo saying that, they're initiating my elimination. And they were going to give me a general discharge characterization. So general under honorable conditions. Some of your listeners are not going to be military, but it goes honorable, [00:23:00] then general, then other than honorable, and then dishonorable. So I never had any concern for a dishonorable or I guess there was some concern that I'm.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Might get an other than honorable, but honestly, I think I've had a great military career and I deserve an honorable honorable discharge. I talked to davis, my attorney, and,

Dr. Kyle Robins: We put in a resignation in lieu of the separation with a requesting that I get an honorable they. declined that and then decided to send me to a BOI, a board of inquiry. So a board of inquiry is a legal case that is just in the military. So it has no legal standing outside the military. In, it's basically the same because like I, I had my attorneys, there was the prosecuting attorneys and then there was a board, so three panel members that determined my fate. Yeah, [00:24:00] that was January of... Last year or no, January this year, sorry and, I'm super, super grateful and blessed to have had the support team that I had. Again, I mentioned Davis Yancey was my attorney and then I had the troop defense services. Captain christopher Lynn and Specialist Alex Van Wagner, they were my attorneys,

Dr. Kyle Robins: I recall when I went to them initially. They heard that, this guy, this fool he just didn't want to wear a mask. But as I showed them, yeah, as I showed them the evidence, their minds were blown and they're like, man this guy's done his research. He actually knows what he's talking about. And he's right. It is emergency use authorized. It is unlawful. And yeah I think I got them really excited about it. And I guess all of. TDS. So they were a great team. Really appreciated them. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone that I worked with. Yeah. I had a lot of help and support from you and Mark as well.[00:25:00] And then, in the Nehemiah group and some of these other chats that I was working with. But I got dan, he was the, that works at my clinic. But yeah, I had some great support from from those in my clinic. I had Wendy Howland. She was a civilian nurse that worked with me. And she was the one that didn't get the vaccine. She was, yeah, she testified in my behalf senior chief petty officer Dixon Brown. He was in, in the groups. I had never met him before. But he's just, he's stalwart. He's such a stud. He flew himself out from California on his own dime. I asked him if I could pay for his flight and he's no, I want them to know that this is important enough to me that I'm flying out. And then he... Yeah, he requested permissive TDY so that he wouldn't have to use up his leave, but I think, if I recall, he had to use his [00:26:00] own leave he contributed significantly to my cause, to the or the cause in general and he was a great support in that and then I had Steven Petty, so he is an industrial hygienist, person so a lot of people think that doctors know about masks and prevention of infection and stuff.

Dr. Kyle Robins: We don't get really taught that at all. Maybe briefly touch on it and stuff. We learn how to scrub into surgery and stuff like that. But an industrial hygienist, his job is literally to study how to stop the spread of infection or, prevent people from getting sick in the community.

Dr. Kyle Robins: And he's testified, I forget his numbers, but I think he's testified in like over 200 legal cases and stuff like that. And has been outspoken about the ways to mitigate risk in a pandemic. And the way to do that is good airflow. So [00:27:00] work on your ventilation system, push the, any virus out of the building and into open air and then sunlight will kill the virus.

Dr. Kyle Robins: So get outside. He says, masks are not even on our algorithm. They aren't even in the pyramid of treatment options. So I had a great team that came and testified in my behalf. And honestly, I may be a little biased, but I think that anyone who had an open mind, if they were sitting in that board they would have determined that yes the masks are ineffective. They are harmful and it was an unlawful order. Yeah, so we had the board the three panel members deliberated. I think it was one lieutenant colonel and two colonels. And one of them, interestingly enough, he was he implemented a lot of the COVID measures. So somewhat of a conflict of interest there, for him to say, Oh, yeah, my order was [00:28:00] unlawful. I guess this guy's off the hook. He didn't refuse himself to put him on the case. So very convenient. Yes. But they decided that. It isn't, this is a direct quote from the president of the board, that, that same colonel. It is not our job to determine the legality of this order. And me and my two attorneys are just like, are you kidding me? What is the point of a board? Why did we have this? If not to determine the legality of this case, so of this order clear legal error there. First off, he should have refused himself, but I really just wanted to be like sir, simple question. Sorry, I'm simple minded. How do we determine legality of orders? Where, what is the means to do that? But,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if I can interrupt you for a second. Yeah. Your lawyer, Davis Yountz, phenomenal man. He actually defended a man, Bill Moseley in California at a board of inquiry. And they determined that [00:29:00] the order to take the shot was illegal. But the problem, because it's a board of inquiry, it doesn't have legal standing, so it made no legal impact. Even though the colonels, the three colonels that were on that board and go back and listen to when Davis was on this show, I think the first time, and he talks about this and how it was they're like, oh man, this is an unlawful order. I gave an unlawful order. Unfortunately,

Dr. Kyle Robins: my board did not have that integrity to. Yeah, so we put in an appeal saying, Hey, this is a legal error. We either want an honorable discharge cause they decide we're going to proceed with the general characterization. We either want an honorable discharge or a repeat BOI with board members that will do what they are supposed to. But human resources decided. That they were going to decline my appeal and decide to proceed with separation. [00:30:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Did you ever get reported to DHA and the National Practitioner Data Bank? Did that ever, that algorithm ever happen for you?

Dr. Kyle Robins: Not that I'm aware of. I've never heard anything, thankfully. So yeah

Dr. Kyle Robins: as of yesterday, I got my DD 214 and I am, Out of the army now. So pretty excited.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yesterday was August 3rd, 2023.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yes. Yep. Really excited. I will say, cause I think some people as they, as I tell them they think that I. Hate the army or I didn't enjoy my experience with the army or anything like that. I would say quite the contrary. If I were to go back and do things again, I would absolutely have joined the army again. I think I got a great [00:31:00] experience, great education, great training. I got to go do a lot of fun things. We you and I went to residency at Fort Benning and I was able to do airborne during one of my electives. I don't know many doctors that, yeah, I don't know many doctors in the United States. Yeah. Yeah. That have jumped out of a plane. I was also able to do jungle school out here and fries and spies repelling out of a helicopter. So yeah, a lot of cool things that I've been able to do.

Dr. Kyle Robins: I've met some amazing people. I think that, especially our enlisted those that are, boots on the ground, they are some great people that love this country. And they will and have volunteered to sacrifice their lives for this nation. So I'm grateful to have been associated.

Dr. Kyle Robins: With all of our soldiers. So yeah, I would absolutely repeat my steps. I would commission again with the army. I do my residency and training through the army. I would have come out here to Hawaii [00:32:00] and worked in the urgent care. I love my clinic. I love my the doctors I'm working with, the nurses, the medics, the support staff. I've had a great time. And I would also, even though in the, I think in the long scheme of themes, did my stand change much? No, I think the army is not going to change any policies because of it I don't know that anyone in my clinic is going, I don't know, maybe it affected them I hope that...

Dr. Kyle Robins: It may have inspired some to realize that, Hey, they have freedoms that they can stand up for. Yeah, I think the only thing I probably would have changed is I probably would have fought it sooner. That's probably the only thing I would have changed.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I agree with you. I think joining the army was, it was a great choice. I think doing my residency at Benning was a phenomenal choice. I also got to become a five jump. I don't know if you've done more jump since then. But what I think really is a testament to, I think it's a huge testament to. It's a Martin Army Community [00:33:00] hospital and the residency program there is, with all this craziness that's going on and the incredibly small percentage of doctors that have stood up to do the right thing, they train two of them and they may look at this. The wrong way right now, and say, man, we got two of those yahoos. But in reality, two of those men who were able to stand against this came outta that same program, so they're doing something right. Whereas I don't think there's a single residency program that had two people stand against this. Come out of any other residency program.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah. One, one other thing Wendy Howland, the nurse that testified on my behalf she also, she actually pointed this out, but not too long ago, it was probably four, maybe five years ago. They changed the name of our clinic. It used to be Schofield barracks health clinic, but now it's a Desmond T Doss health clinic. Desmond T. Doss, if any of you have seen [00:34:00] Hacksaw Ridge, he is the soldier that refused to carry a weapon during World War II. And he was attacked, he was persecuted but he stood his ground. He knew that was his right to be able to fight peacefully in a war and be a support and help. And he saved countless lives. But he failed to follow a lawful order and now he's honored for it. And so just the irony that, they recently changed the name of our clinic to honor someone who failed to follow this order because it was unlawful. And now they're persecuting people.

Dr. Kyle Robins: For doing the same thing.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it's a great role model and I encourage every viewer to listener to go check out Hacksaw Ridge because that's definitely at least a one time watch, but it's incredible to see the heart of this man Who he was a medic and he climbed up he scaled a cliff [00:35:00] to pull wounded Soldiers off of there and save them and he saved basically the whole unit And he didn't carry a weapon the entire time.

Dr. Kyle Robins: And it is our duty to disobey unlawful orders, even if we think, Hey, for example, with a mask, even if you think, Hey, I think masks are helpful or, whatever else, if it is unlawful, it is our duty to point out the unlawful nature of it. If you don't, then it's a snowball effect.

Dr. Kyle Robins: More unlawful orders will come and it'll just get bigger and harder. So

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I hope that this episode in particular is a not only a lesson for people to study how it is to gain that courage as you did, but also to look to you as an example to do what you've done to be in. In it for a while and be like, you know what?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I realize this is now illegal. I'm going to stop lying. I'm going to stop following unlawful orders. [00:36:00] And, damn the torpedoes, it doesn't matter the price, I'm gonna do it. And I commend you for that, because I didn't really know what the price was gonna be. I thought it would be bad, but, yeah, I did not get a general discharge.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: At least it hasn't happened yet, but I'm supposed to be getting an honorable discharge. And for you to willfully step into the ring and to exit the military with a general discharge, I think is a huge win to your credit to show the world. Look, I stood against this and even Though it took great personal cost to me and my family because your family has to live off of whatever you can earn in the future, and this may have some impact on that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hopefully, I pray it doesn't. I hope future employers, if they need to, look back at this episode and say, no that's the doctor we need to have in our clinic.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm actually glad you brought up family because my wife has definitely been a huge support, I definitely could not have done this without her.

Dr. Kyle Robins: It's interesting. So in Hawaii, [00:37:00] I still see all sorts of, heroes out there driving around alone with their mask, saving the world. It's just so ingrained. Into the population here that, you just wear a mask and I'm like, oh, my gosh, what are these people thinking? But so back in, in March of 2022 and I. When I decided I needed to stop my wife had already stopped wearing a mask. So she she and my kids, they would come to church and not wear a mask. And they'd been doing that for a couple of months. But I was in the

Dr. Kyle Robins: bishopric and the leadership of the church. And so I sat up in front and I, so I had some.

Dr. Kyle Robins: conflictions. I was like I'm sitting up in front and, literally everyone in the crowd is wearing a mask. And so for me to go up without a mask, that just would bring, I don't know, I thought undo attention and, make me out to be a rule breaker. But so my wife is, She's awesome. She's a saint and she fought that battle by herself for a [00:38:00] long time and Was an inspiration to me to do what was right as well. Amazing.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a question is typically when you serve a period of time You then have to go into the inactive ready reserve. Did they absolve you of that obligation?

Dr. Kyle Robins: So I've paid my eight years So I don't have to. Good.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Good. Because that, wouldn't that be something that may just stay in four years for the inactive? Yeah. I think with

Dr. Kyle Robins: an involuntary separation, my understanding is that I can't recommission. Okay. I could be

Dr. Kyle Robins: wrong, but. Yeah, it's not that I really want to

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, for those of us, or those of you out there that think, oh what if our country needs us, if our country needs us that bad, then we'll be near our families to protect them and those around us. [00:39:00] Absolutely. We won't need to go to some far away place to fight a potential war that we may have no dog in that fight to lose our life in a foreign country or something that. We have no dog in that fight. And we, and our value system has diverged greatly from where the military is today.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Absolutely. I feel like the wars that we're getting into now are corrupt wars and not, they don't uplift, they don't bring freedoms to, to people. I'll put political maneuvers and corruption.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what are the next steps for you? What's next on the docket for you?

Dr. Kyle Robins: We are moving out to Idaho. And, we plan to, so we've been homeschooling

Dr. Kyle Robins: for [00:40:00] five years now, four and a half, five years. So we're going to homeschool and we decide to homestead out there. So we want to be self sufficient. So we're going to have a big old garden, a bunch of animals. We got some good friends out there that have the same thoughts. And actually, Northern Idaho is a pretty unique place. The majority of the population, they are prior service. So prior military, prior police officers, firefighters. So they they are also freedom lovers that have served their nation, their community their state. So great people up there but yeah, I, my, my plan is to eventually open up a direct primary care clinic for those that haven't heard of direct primary care, DPC. It is a

Dr. Kyle Robins: membership based program where [00:41:00] you cut out the insurance. So you'd probably still want some catastrophic insurance, for the what ifs. But basically you have your primary care doctor take care of all of your primary care needs and you pay for it yourself it's a rising Way of practicing medicine in the United States and has really gained traction out on the east coast and is gaining traction More, you know out west more, but I think it has a lot of advantages over the current

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it's amazing and look into opting out of Medicare and doing paper charting because that can save you a huge overhead with all the electronic medical record keeping. Yes. And you also get the added benefit. You get the added benefit of not having electronic medical records that can never be hacked because they're paper in [00:42:00] a cabinet that's locked in an office. And then you dispose of those after a certain number of years.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah, I think there's a lot of bad advantages for the patient the doctor for the community. On average, the numbers I've seen are on average in a fee for service that, the traditional insurance based medicine, you get seven minutes of face to face time. Now, if you're coming into your doctor and you have. Heart problems, lung problems, kidney, all sorts of problems, there's not much you can do in seven minutes, right? It's just, all right, let's refill your medications, go on your way. But in direct primary care clinics, you have fewer patients. Because you don't need to just fly through all the patients to, to get your salary and pay off your all your overhead fees, your support staff that need to bill and, haggle with the insurance agencies. So you, you have fewer patients and so your average time is 30 [00:43:00] minutes face to face time with a doctor. You can get a lot more done that way.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sounds wonderful. Sounds like you're going to have a lot of freedom in your future.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm hoping. Kyle, thank you so much for your stand for your faith, for your leadership. I'll be praying and I hope the listeners and the viewers will be praying for you in your future that things go right and you are continued to be led wherever God wants you to be, to make that impact wherever he puts you. Thank you.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah, and thanks for letting me on the show. I appreciate you for all you've done

Dr. Kyle Robins: not only personally for me reaching out to me, giving me that support, keeping me in touch with others that, that can support and help me but also for your voice with this podcast. I think you've reached a lot of people and have given them hope and support and strength and also, for the voice for God [00:44:00] that, that you are, I appreciate that you bring God into everything. Cause he should be in everything. Yeah,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: cause I, I would not be able to make this stand. My family wouldn't be able to withstand this pressure if we didn't have God close in our lives. God bless you. Thank you so much.

Dr. Kyle Robins: Hey, thank you. You take care, okay?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God lets all make courage more contagious than fear.