105. Mike Glover
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Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: [00:00:00] My granddad was a Mac V saw guy in Vietnam, old school, badass 87 still jumping around. He's yeah, he's a badass. Then my dad my dad was a green beret, and then he was a government contractor right around the same time. I refused the vaccine. So did he, and I was talking to him on the phone.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was like, hey, I'm I'm gonna, this is the hill I die on. And he's oh, that's cool, man. I'm probably gonna get fired. I was like, what the fuck, what did you do? He's I refused it.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's very special. He is Mike Glover. Not the Mike Glover that you may have seen in other places. This Mike Glover was in the Ranger Regiment. Mike, great to have you on.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I appreciate it, Sam. It's good to be here.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay, so we had a technical difficulty, but now we should be back. All right, Mike Glover, great to have you on.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Tell me your experience because you have a unique [00:03:00] experience. You were in the Ranger Regiment and you did some work with them. And the reason you're no longer in the military is because of the whole COVID shot issue. Tell us some of your story.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I did just under 10 years in the 75th range regiment.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I did six plus a couple of months, six to seven years in first range battalion. I was went through the normal progression of a enlisted guy from, private, just carrying a rifle. I was a gun team leader ended up being a sniper team leader. And then I fire team leader is my last job.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: While I was there, I did six deployments in my six years. And then about halfway through my last deployment they were requesting guys to go up to Fort Benning to go be instructors at RASP, at Ranger Assessment Selection Program. So basically it was, gonna be probably one guy from each company had to go, one or two.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was on that list and I said, okay, yeah, it sounds like a good deal, be a good break. So I went up there and I was a marksmanship instructor. And then I worked in the What's called pre RAS, which is basically the holding cell for candidates before they actually start the RAS [00:04:00] program.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I did that up until from 2019, late 2019, up until September 14th of 2022. And that was my last day on active duty because I got chapter obviously for refusing the vaccine.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, before we started recording, you told me a little bit about what was going on, but when word of the shot first came out, what were you, what was your feeling, what was your impression, what was going on, with, let's say, you and your wife, was she on board with your stance, or did she... Did she get on board with your stance at a certain point when she realized things were different than what they were telling everyone?

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Oh I think it, to make that decision, it went back a little bit farther than that. So on my fourth deployment I was in Syria and that was, I think the first time I actually got to see the second and third order effects of what we were doing at the time. And it, this ties into to it later.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I saw oh, wow, we're not just. [00:05:00] The U. S. government. doing the U. S. government stuff. We were actually helping people trying to clear ISIS out of the city. So then I did, another deployment to Afghanistan, and then I went on my final deployment, my sixth deployment to Afghanistan.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Great time. I worked with some of the greatest people I've ever met. Still talk to most of them today, to this day. But what I thought was weird is we were action, or actioning targets left and right. Had a pretty active summer. So we But my first objective that deployment, then my last objective on that deployment were relatively close to each other to the point where it was almost in a almost the same village, if I remember correctly.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And it got me thinking I'm not anti war by any means, but I'm like, what are we accomplishing here? So then I started that kind of opened my mind up a little bit more to. I guess think on my own. So then I go up to be a instructor at Fort Benning. But what year was that? I worked with guys from that was in, so I was deployed for the summer of 2019.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And then I went to Fort Benning in November or December of 2019. [00:06:00] So I had a, I opened it and I grew up, my dad is a retired Green Beret. That's actually how I knew John funny enough, but he's retired Green Beret and then he was a government contractor. So I grew up around the military and around the deployment lifestyle.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But anyway, we when I was up at Fort Benning, basically, I think I did maybe one class and I was a brand new instructor. So I was a. Shadowing the other more senior guys at the time, and then the whole pandemic kicked off. Everything started locking down. I started really questioning everything then, because every to my knowledge, every or at least most other schools and selections in the SOF community or just in the military in general were put on halt. I actually had a buddy who got turned down from going to CAG selection twice. He got accepted once and then turned down two more times after that. Because of covid brass was still running.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: We were still running classes, full classes. We were only we were doing three day work weeks, but it was still running. So I started questioning it as I was like, I'm around [00:07:00] anywhere from 50 to 165 students on a daily basis. Is this is really as dangerous as we think and most rangers are pretty, pretty healthy people.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Most green berets. Most people in the soft community are pretty healthy athletic guys. And it's a virus with, a 99. 9 percent survival rate. So I personally never got it. And if I didn't know I never missed a day of work for it. I started questioning it, went through all the different theories on.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah. Is this real? Is it, is this just a a sign up against the American people from our own government from whoever.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So you were saying that I want to make sure I got this right. That all of these schools. Stop making, stop taking students. Is that what you said

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: to my knowledge? At least most of them did where they were shutting down schoolhouses. I'm not sure about airborne school, which should be actually the 1 that I know the most about other than RAS because we sent them straight from Rasta airborne.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But it was just weird to me that, I'd [00:08:00] heard I could be completely wrong in this, but I had heard through the grapevine buds while I had stopped. SFAS had stopped CAG selection had stopped and not permanently, but a couple that, were, I think they were waiting to figure out what was going to happen, but we kept running.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Range regiment kept, we kept the machine continues to turn. So that's made me be like, what are we doing here?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just want to draw attention to that decision. The, these pipelines stopping for a short period of time means that those men at the tip of the spear, the ones that fight the wars these days, they, we weren't making them for a period of time, a month, two months, I don't know how long.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's how scared everyone was, that, when you had doctors saying, Yeah, it was incredible. It's not that bad, it's a 99. 86 percent survival rate.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, it was a it was weird to me to see the upper echelon and not, I was a staff sergeant. I was an E6. By the time information got to me, it was completely different.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But it was weird to see that. And some people within my chain of command[00:09:00] took that as we're 75th range regiment you need a job done, you give it to the 75th Ranger Regiment, we'll make something, no matter what, we make stuff happen. At first, I was like, yeah, okay, yeah, that's true.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: You give Rangers a task, we're gonna make it happen. But also on the more intellectual side of that, I was like I don't think so. To me, that just sounds like something that command teams push out to motivate the guys, or whatever they want to call it. But, yeah, the, so I made my decision after I, I was like, I don't need a shot.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: That's experimental. That technically was illegal at the time because, there's a going on, but they weren't actually authorized. The, to my knowledge, the order that. Lloyd Austin put out was actually illegal. I told my company commander, I said I'm I took an oath just like everyone else did and my morals don't allow me to follow unlawful orders.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And my oath doesn't. Obviously, I, I've seen that people who take the oath seriously are looked down on now. Basically, if you don't tow the line and do what you're [00:10:00] told, you're a problem. So anyway, I made the decision I'm not going to get it. And I was actually going through some brain scans and some neurological stuff at the time.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Just from, and every Ranger has this. Every, anyone who's been in combat has this. Just a lot of TBI's and brain issues, sleep, irritability, all kinds of stuff. Memory loss is my biggest problem. I told my company commander I was like, Hey, sir, I don't I'm gonna hold off from getting the shot because I was trying to buy myself some time.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I went over to the I said, I'm gonna buy myself some time so that I don't because I'm worried about the blood clotting. I don't want to die. At the time I was 27 or 28, 29 now, but I was like, I don't want to not going to die. over this over a shot. And he said, Okay, that's fine. But the next step in the counseling is you have to go talk to your medical provider.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I walked across the street to the ranger clinic there and talked to either a P. A. Or doctor. But, it was a ranger wearing a tambourine scrolling a shoulder. He's a major. I wish I remember his name. And I voiced my concerns to him. And without missing a beat, he said, Oh the covert shot will actually help with your memory loss.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And at that point, I [00:11:00] just, said, Roger, sir. I turn around and walked out and that was when I made the decision. I was like, all right this is the end of my career. This is it for me. So I went back into my company commander's office and told him he was a good guy. He was a good commander. I don't knock him necessarily.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I do knock him because he was in line with all the other officers and senior NCOs that said, Oh, I'm just doing my job, but I don't knock him because he did go to bat for me. A couple of different times to have the process, make sure I was taken care of anyway. I told him, I said, Hey, sir, I'm not taking a shot.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He's it's a medical is a religious and you and I discussed. I'm not a at the time. I wasn't very much a very religious guy since I've changed. But I said, no, sir, I was like, it's a moral thing for me and. I told him what the doctor said, and I said, I'm just gonna be honest. I'm just not gonna do it.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So tell me where to sign so we can start this process. And that was sometime in late 2021. Took him a year to get me a year and a half to get me out of the army. It seems like he was good about it. And we actually skipped quite a few steps. I got a it's supposed to be like a 6 week process.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: There is something I can't [00:12:00] remember off the top of my head where you got to go talk to this person and they're not allowed to take any adverse action against you. That was in Secretary Austin's office. Directives and his orders. So they gave, I part of the I call it the coercion steps.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: It wasn't counseling. I was, they were trying to coerce me to get it. They said if you don't get it, you're going to get a GOMAR, general officer's memorandum of reprimand. I was like, okay you just tell me where to sign. I got a GOMAR. I actually plan on framing that and put it next to my ranger plaques.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yes.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Were you in that auditorium when some general. I don't know if it was Major General Donahoe was giving everyone a go mart, and there was a man in a suit who was a captain, Captain Ritter, and he stood up and said, You lie, or something to that nature, and said, You don't have co marity, and they escorted him out.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Were you there? No, I wish I was though. He's another friend and I've interviewed him a while back.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah. It sounds like it's cut from the same cloth. That sounds like a good American to [00:13:00] me, but yeah. And, I ended up talking about it. They didn't know what to do. It was my company commander told me and you talk to any officer in Ranger Regiment, they go back to the conventional army back and forth to go do time there before they come back.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So they spend half their career, the conventional army, and a lot of them joke around and say, yeah, most of your job as an officer in the conventional army is actually disciplinary action and kicking people out of the army. But when it came to the covid shot, they're like, we have no idea what to do.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: We didn't expect this. So I'm like, okay. I kept working, kept doing my job, would go to work every day. I'd run PT with the candidates with, the other cadre up until probably I'd say my last 4 months. And I remember I told my NCUIC guy named Dylan, a real good buddy of mine, good guy, but he I told him, and I told the, I say the boys, I told the other guys that I was instructors with, I said it was a Friday, I was like, hey, I'm not going to be here on Monday.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: They're like what, you taking leave? And I was like, nah, I was like, I'm getting fired, man. I was like, why would I continue to work if I'm getting fired? I told Dylan and they were all yeah, that makes total sense, man. There's a couple couple [00:14:00] people that didn't appreciate that, but my company commander did tell me cause I would come in maybe once every week or two, had a big mustache, wearing gym clothes the whole time.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But I went into my company commander's office and I was like, Hey sir, just touching base, trying to see where we're at. And he's I, we got nothing blah, blah, blah. And I told him, I was like, Hey, I'm going to be traveling quite a bit, going to different job interviews out of state.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And he was really good about it. Like I was saying earlier, he was like, you told me, he's dude you do whatever you need to do to take care of yourself and your family. And he actually recommended to the battalion commander that I get an honorable discharge. So he folded, but he also there's horror stories of other guys whose chain of command were.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Ruthless to him. Actually, a friend of mine got kicked out of the Marine Corps and got an other honorable discharge because of it. So I'm fortunate enough that I did at the time, my chain, they ended up switching out about my last three months and, but that chain of command I had at the time, my company commander, my first sergeant were, they were rock stars about it.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And my battalion commander and battalion sergeant major, they were good about it, but it was not to rant But it was also an eye [00:15:00] opening experience and just for anyone is it would be actually I sent an email to my battalion commander and a long story short.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I said, I see everyone across the soft community, the military across range regiment. Everyone's a sellout right now. And I said we, to my knowledge where the, and it's not me patting myself on the back at all. I was just fortunate enough to be in a great organization. We're the only unit that deploys to, combat and we're not deployed to Japan, but deploying to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, name your name, your war zone every single year.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Rangers have been in combat every single day since, October of 2001. I was like, me. The one thing we're really good at not to sound like a war monger, we're really good at killing bad guys. And we love to do it. But so these guys, they're okay with leaving their families, going to war.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: That's all we look forward to is deployment as a Ranger. That's all you care about is, I just want to go on deployment. But they were afraid to say no. To the chain of command for this, so they're not scared to go get shot, blown up, kill people faster [00:16:00] about helicopters in the middle of the night onto the, doing an X landing on a roof, but they're afraid to say no to their chain of command for a shot that they know is dangerous and I know guys that have that are within regiment or outside of regiment both that are having medical problems now that were.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Physical specimens, only thing that changed in their life was they got a shot. And now there's guys with heart problems, all kinds of stuff. You're a doctor, better than I do. But because of that email, I actually had to my battalion commander email me back and he said staff Sergeant Glover, I appreciate your concern, but I would like to if you would like to have a teleconference, I'm willing to do that.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I read this email out loud to all my buddies who were all E 5s, E 6s, and E 7s also. And one of them, a guy named Damien, he said he said, Mike, that's your cue to shut the hell up. So I was like, nope. I emailed him back, typed up. I said sir, instead of a teleconference, I'd like to have a face to face meeting.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So he said, okay, be in my office, March 7th or whatever it was, at 09. So I went over there and I'd sent this on a template actually on staff [00:17:00] duty because you have to do a one up one down kind of thing. And on the template, it literally says, use me, do not save over me. You're not, just from this interview, I'm a caveman with technology and I saved over on an accident without my knowledge.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So everyone who had been on staff duty since then had seen, Oh, what did Mike say? So the whole battalion saw this. I didn't know that I go up to S3 and I'm waiting in the S3 office, talking to some of my buddies that that were former cadre with me and they're like, Oh, you're here to talk to the commander?

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I'm like, how do you guys know about that? They're like, dude, the whole battalion, most of the regiment knows about what you said, right? Great. So I ended up, I go into the office.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You hit reply all. Don't hit reply all.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: That's basically what I did. I was like this is going to be a good time. So I go over there and I'm talking to Colonel Ootlout was his name.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I think he just switched out of command there. I don't know where he's at now. He's another good guy. And He was doing so much computer and he's hey, give me like, 5 minutes. The major wants to be in here for this now as a NCO. I was like, I'm going to get a lot of major wants to hear this.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So now [00:18:00] it's going to go downhill. It did it. I go in there. They close the door. I sit down. I talked to him for about an hour and a half voice. My concerns not only with coven, but just, how the militaries. Turning bloke and all that other stuff that we know about and I thought it was going to be a shut up.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: You're wrong. Do what you're told conversation ended up being probably 1 of the best leadership development moments in my career. And when I was leaving I told him, actually 1 important thing by, battalion commander, Colonel Lou Loudgood, told me, he said, hey, I do agree with the vaccine mandate.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I told him, I was like sir, I actually respect you for even admitting that to me, because every other officer in your battalion right now has told me they don't agree with it, but they're still going to enforce it. So I guess he had the officers of the battalion got talked to after that. But when I was leaving gave my salute, ranged the way, sir, shook their hands.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And my battalion commander said, this is the best What's it called? Not sensing session. Climate command climate survey I've ever had. He's this is the best one I've ever heard. I was like I appreciate it. You have to hear, you have to hear from the the mid level guys, the guys, for lack of better terms, boots on the ground.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So guys that are actually doing, I [00:19:00] don't say doing the work. Everyone's doing a job, but the guys that are in the trenches, you want to call it that. But it was a good conversation. I don't have any bad blood with, yeah. With my command team, necessarily, I do I did lose a lot of respect for them and some of my very close friends, because, like I was saying earlier, we all went to war quite a few times.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Everyone's been on target. Everyone's, most guys have been shot. I personally have not. I'm good at finding cover, but guys have been shot, blown up, killed people, lost friends, all kinds of stuff. And I told him, I was like, it's scary to me that we are, we're scared to say no to this, but we're okay with doing that.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So it was an eyeopening experience. So for sure.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What I think is amazing is those men are just like you said, they're not too afraid to go put their life in, in, in the line of jeopardy where they could die. They could be maimed. They could never see their family again, but yet just saying no defend the constitution and the declaration of independence, which they.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Raised their right hand, all of them, swore to [00:20:00] defend. That's too difficult. Putting their life on the line, they can do that. But saying no, and potentially giving up their career, which is not deadly and there's always a safety net that God always provides for those that love Him. And, tell us you have been caught by that safety net, if I'm not mistaken?

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yes, sir. Where are you working now? Yep. Right now I'm working for a so I live up in Pennsylvania. Fell on hard times as we're getting out right before I got out. They issued my orders about a month early because I I was saying they didn't know what to do with me. And then 1 day, as 1 called me and said, hey, you got 5 days to be out of the army.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was actually, I had to go to a job interview, so I had five business days and it knocked it down to about three, but so the army didn't pay me my final paycheck or the 57 or 58 leave days. And then I have to pay back a re enlistment contract from 2018. Basically, the army tried to financially screw me over.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Eventually I'm gonna, I'm gonna, that's gonna be a [00:21:00] court case. But so I live up in Pennsylvania and we had to move in with my in laws. So I'm technically a homeless, unemployed, disabled veteran. But no I worked for a company called direct action resource center that we're we're out of Little Rock, Arkansas, and I was actually applying to be a game warden up in Indiana, which I honestly had no interest in, but I was like, whatever, I got nothing else.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Let's see what happens. Myself and one of my best friends, we were a sniper team together, grew up together in regiment. He was the one that talked me into it. Me and him both made it to the final interview and we were turned down after the, excuse me, after the final interview, because we didn't have enough outdoor experience.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I'm glad it happened. 1 day, I'm driving home from Fort Benning and I call direct action resource center. Scott Darcy. So I call the owner of Darcy's name is Rich Mason. And, I talked to him in 2018 trying to go to a Darcy course while I was in 175 didn't make it down there, but so I knew who he was.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I somewhat knew about Darcy and I told him, I said, Hey I know you can't hire me, but I would is there anyone in the industry that can't hire me? Cause at this point I was like, you know what? I'll just open up a marketing ship. [00:22:00] One man marksmanship show, but I need to go work for somebody to learn how it works first and get, acquire some capital.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I talked, ended up that ended up being a 3 hour conversation with him and he's the out of all these other guys that I had talked to in that industry. He's the only 1 that actually extended an opportunity. He said, what are you doing on these dates? This is back in September. I was on the phone with him, in August.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He said, do you want to come out here to a job interview? And I was like, absolutely. I told him, do you want me to shadow as an instructor? And he laughed and said, no, you're going to be a, you're going to be a student surrounded by a bunch of civilians who haven't slept in 4 day. I'm gonna see how you work as a leader.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was like, that sounds like a blast. So I went there. It's a course called tusk. And I guess they like what they saw, but rich Mason I owe him and his wife, Caitlin as well. I owe them a lot because it's a job. It's 100 percent a job. They are my employer, but I also look at them as like a, like mentors, like a cool and uncle that, we're always there to help you out.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So they, they extended this opportunity and we're here a year later. [00:23:00] I'm going down there next week. I teach a redeveloped designated marksman course for him. I help teach tusk. We're moving down there. So I can be a full time employee sometime in the fall. So that I can so once I'm working there, we'll be, I'll be assisting with the explosive breaching stuff that we do in the counterterrorism and we got sniper programs and all that kind of stuff.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But Darcy is definitely, yeah. I'm actually wearing the hat, but Darcy is definitely I'm not like I was saying, I've somewhat become a little bit more religious. And I say, that's also because of my parents who have also become religious. And because of rich and Caitlin they're religious, but they don't push it.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And rich actually uses the Bible history book, which I found very interesting. I had never really looked into it and I don't know what it was, but I made that 1 phone call and it wasn't because of me that I got that job, but somebody was looking out for myself, my family and. My wife and I got a 6 month old daughter, which was also a great part of getting kicked out of the army.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was like, hey, my wife's pregnant. And you're like, good luck, man. Figured out. But [00:24:00] yeah, Darcy's a it's a training industry. It's a business, but if you talk to anybody who's ever been to a course, they'll ran about the best thing on earth. So I owe them a lot and I plan on giving them the best instructor capabilities that I possibly can.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Until I'm burnt out or they get tired of me and also on top of that like I was saying, somebody was looking out for me. My buddy that we were going to go be game wardens together. He got out of regiment. He was in Indiana or Indiana National Guard and he got out of that and was like, okay, I'm going to move down to Arkansas to work at the SIG ammo plant 1 time when I'm down there.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: We're like, hey, send me your address. Send me where you're at. He's 20 minutes from the compound. So we're going to try to get a house in the same neighborhood as this guy. So somebody was looking out. I got 1 of my best friends that I've deployed with multiple times and. Known since I was 18 down there and I got a great job.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So things are looking out for a while there. It was definitely a meat

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: grinder though.[00:25:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's amazing how God works all things for good for those who love him. And I'm glad you're seeing that come into fruition now.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One of the things that I should have mentioned earlier I was talking about, I grew up in a I don't want to say a military household. We moved around a lot, but when people hear military household, they think like dads and they're doing a white glove inspection. My, my dad was not like that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But so my granddad was a Mac V saw guy in Vietnam, old school, bad ass 87 still jumping around. Yeah, he's a bad ass. So then my dad My dad was a Green Beret and that he was a government contractor right around the same time. I refused the vaccine. So did he and I was talking to him on the phone.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was like, Hey, I'm I'm gonna this is the hill I die on. He's oh, that's cool, man. I'm probably going to get fired. I was like, what the what did you do? He's I refused it. And I'm not taking anymore. Ironically, they've asked the United States government has asked him to come back.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was unofficially asked if I wanted to come back in. Both of us have said the same decision. The way that you treated people and are still treating [00:26:00] people and the way that you. People folded like paper. I'll, I will probably never go back into the military. I don't knock, I don't knock the guys that are in.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I do not the guys that said, and there's plenty of them that said, I'm not gonna get it. I'm not gonna get it. They can't make me. And they all folded like paper. So I did lose respect for those guys. But what I'm saying is let's say it's a bloodline thing to be noncompliant on some issues. My mom didn't get it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: My brother didn't get it. My wife didn't. My daughter's not going to ever. She's only six months, but she's not going to get it. I didn't get it. I'm fortunate to be part of a family and married into a family of strong, good Americans, for sure.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's amazing. It's great that your dad, independent of you, y'all both said, I'm not doing this. This is not right.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yep. Yeah, it was weird because I didn't know he was doing it. And I don't think that he knew that I was doing it. It was it's strange that it all came to that came to a head.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Like you're saying God works everything out. I'd hung [00:27:00] out with my dad on two of my six deployments, which I thought was strange to see him overseas. And then, and now we're both in the same boat. He's 64, he's retired, enjoying life, he's yes, he was all, he was actually really worried about it We're running out of time here, but he was actually worried about it financially.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He's man, I went from making quite a bit of money as a government contractor for the last 18 years. I guess he retired. No, 3 got fired in 21 or something like that. For roughly 18 years, he was making pretty good money. He's retired lieutenant colonel. Now he's living off retirement. Then about a month later.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He was like, man, this is the greatest thing ever. Nobody's calling me. Nobody emails me. He's this is awesome. It's I should have done this a long time ago, but he's a good American. So is my mom. My mom, somehow they've been married for 35 some years. And she, a lot of times military marriages don't last and somehow they've stuck it out.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And they've she's a rock star. She's actually the rock of the family. Yeah. She's the shadow governor, I'd say. She's the one that keeps it all together.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, my great aunt would always say that, yeah, the man may [00:28:00] be the head of the household, but the woman is the neck, and she directs the head where to go.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, my mom always used to tell us, she's your dad may be a colonel, but I'm the general when we were kids. But yeah, as we're talking about family my wife was she was pretty indifferent on it. She she's a rock star. She's awesome. Love her to death gave me a beautiful daughter, but, she was indifferent on it, but the reason that I think she's so great, one of the many reasons is she did not grow up in a military family. I met her when I was in Savannah, Georgia. She was going to school in Beaufort, South Carolina. And, fast forward, we're married, blah, blah, blah. She moved with me, has, she's from a small town in Pennsylvania.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I told her, I was like, Hey I'm probably gonna get kicked out for this. She said, okay, I'll follow you wherever you go. And now we're moving to Arkansas, randomly. And she's okay, let's do it. So she's. She's been my rock. She's awesome. We got a beautiful daughter now and things are looking up for sure for us.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Hopefully, hopefully good things keep happening.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, no, it [00:29:00] sounds like things are working very well for you. And again, God works all things for the good for the, of those who love him. And, keep getting closer to God, keep with that struggle. The name of Israel means to wrestle with God. And sometimes you can, you have the choice to either walk away from God or to sit there and wrestle.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just as Jacob did where he wrestled with the angel of the Lord and had his hip broken from it. And that was actually a blessing for him because he... from all of his problems. And now with a broken hip, he couldn't run from his problems. So that was a blessing for him. And it, the people of Israel are still around today and they and all those that love God and follow the Bible and Jesus they wrestle with God every day.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, absolutely. And my wife and I actually discussed it. I'm not baptized, neither is she a couple of weeks ago, she randomly brought it up. She said, Hey, should we, my, my daughter's name is Rosie or Rosalie, but I call her Rosie or Rosebud. She said, Hey, should we get Rosie baptized? I said, yep. I was like, but she's, I told her, I was like, I'm.[00:30:00]

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Hilarious that you brought this up because I wanted to bring it up at some point also. She just beat me to it. Once we moved to Arkansas as long as everything works out with that, with moving down, I'm like, we're going to start going to church. We're going to baptize Rosie of that, maybe, probably, but I was like, we're gonna, I'm going to go, I want to shift my lifestyle.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I don't, I'm not a, we're not drinkers or partiers or anything like that, but I'm like, you know what, we got put through the ringer and it came out on the other end. Because of somebody was looking out for us, God was looking out for us and everything's falling into place. I'm like, all right I'm going to raise my daughter better than what I would have, 2 years ago, 3 years ago, if I had been a dad then.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So that's my main concerns. But as long as my daughter's happy, taking care of and, I can pass on to her to be a strong, good American. I'm like, I've done my job. Then

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this was so amazing out of this whole COVID disaster. [00:31:00] That's, through after the two weeks to flatten the country and the pandemic and everything, the good things that have come out of it are these individual wins where now you're closer to God.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Your wife is closer to God. You're going to raise your child closer to God. And these are the things that we need to focus on. Absolutely. I once heard someone say that. If you're standing in the sun, and you have your hand sticking out, and you can see the shadow underneath your hand, the dark spot close to the white spot, it's the contrast right there is so definitive.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You've got dark shadow and bright white. But that's where God is. He's in that bright light. And so the darkness is right there. It's right next to it. But also, if you just look at the right thing, and change your perspective of how things work and run to God, because He's always there with open arms.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You can have the best things in life.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, it's definitely like you were saying it's wild how it worked out. And I, yes, I made a hard decision. And that's something not, I don't wanna ever wanna pat myself in the back, but that's something I'm proud of the stand that I [00:32:00] took and the hill that I died on, for lack of better terms.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I'm proud of my wife for going through with it. At any point she could have said nope, I'm done, I'm not doing this, I'm not, I don't know what's gonna happen. At the end of this tunnel, she stuck with me through it, but at the end of the day, I'm like, Somebody, somewhere, made something happen. And I'm like, it was God.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: It was, a I had an angel looking out for myself and my family, and I get, I got a healthy daughter now, so I'm like I can't ask for anything else.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Mike, we're running up on a hard time here. Sorry, this episode is a little shorter. We had some technical difficulties before we got started. But I want to thank you and, you'll be in my prayers and I hope the audience will be able to pray for you that you continue to follow God's will.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I appreciate it. Thanks. I told John Franklin when I reached out to him I said, do you I said, Hey, I don't care about the publicity of it. I was like, but anyway, to get the [00:33:00] message out and I appreciate you accept, letting myself and John Franklin do this as well and having a platform that goes against the grain that Americans can listen to.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Hear firsthand accounts of like of what actually happened. It's not all the sudden the military is not all sun shines and rainbows. I always tell people military is not a Toby Keith song. It is a corrupt machine and it spits people out and that's what it that's what it did to myself. John, you had your.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Your whole fiasco with it too I'm just glad that there's Americans that are still willing to go against the grain, and listen, and act on it, in a peaceful manner.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what being, that's what being American is going against the grain. We've been doing that since 1776, going against the grain.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah. I'm a firm believer in it, too. I always tell people, I'm like, don't comply.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sir, thank you so much for your stand.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Just don't comply.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Thank you so much for your stand, and I'm proud to be standing shoulder [00:34:00] to shoulder with you and all the, Other 8, 500 plus service members that were discharged for not getting the shot.

Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yes, sir. I appreciate it to you also, I guess saying I couldn't be happier. I appreciate. You give me the opportunity to tell the story tell my small story because there's a lot more guys that have guys and gals that have happened to myself and john are one of 8, 500. So I appreciate it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Thank you. God bless. God bless.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there. Duty uniform of the day. The full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:35:00]

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