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ret MAJ Tom Haviland: [00:00:00] Well, Sam, God bless the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association, he did exactly as I asked. So in just two days, I got a hundred twenty-five responses from embalmers in one U.S state, and it told me two things. I told me, first of all, embalmers, they wanna tell you what they're seeing in the embalming room if they feel like they have their permission from their funeral home director.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: But it also told me something else, right? There were twenty-nine other state funeral director associations I sent that email to. They must not have forwarded it down to their embalmers. They must have suppressed it, hit the delete key and not forwarded it. So it tells me there's a huge suppression going on at the Funeral Director Association level, not to want to take the survey.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: There shouldn't be any reason not to wanna take it. I'm only asking you what did you see, when did you see it, and how much are you seeing?

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Caleb, thank you so much for, for helping me in my endeavors. Also, please be, be sure and check out MyCleanBeef.com slash After Hours for some of the best beef that I've ever had. My next guest is Tom Haviland, retired major Haviland has been here before and he's talked about embalmers finding blood clots or these white fibrous clots.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he's done a survey before and now he's done another survey. Uh, this is a worldwide survey that he's done. I. Tom, thank you so much for coming on with us

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Dr. Sam, thanks for having me on the show again. Really appreciate you having me on. [00:04:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So let's jump into the information of what you've discovered.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Okay. To refresh the memory of your audience, uh, we, we, we talked about a year ago. I completed the first survey is based on me. Uh, I watched that movie died suddenly, uh, Sam. To refresh the memory of your audience, it is about an hour long documentary. People can still see it on Rumble, and about half that movie is devoted to these six or seven embalmers that saw these white fibers, clots in their corpses that they've never seen before.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They've been involved embalming many years, and it's the first time they ever saw this phenomenon. And they said it kind of started in 20. Which was an interesting time period because if you remember, there was a certain medical intervention that came out at the beginning of 2021. So the timing is kind of a suspicious.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So I did a survey last year and that there were three main conclusions of that survey. Sam, of the 179 of the bombers that responded to that first survey, almost exactly two-thirds, [00:05:00] 66%, 119 of those bombers said they were seeing, uh, the white fibers, clots. By by the end of 20 twenty-two. The main consensus of the embalmers were that the clots started for them in, uh, the year 20 twenty-one.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: There were a few embalmers, however, that did see them in 2020, which is interesting 'cause that's the year that we had covid, uh, but no medical interventions yet. Um, and the last, and maybe the most shocking conclusion that first survey, Sam, is that many of these embalmers were finding these clots in up to 50% or more of their.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: The average was about 30%, but some of the embalmers were seeing even a much higher percentage of their corpses. So if they were telling me it's not a, uh, a rare event, it's a prevalent thing that was happening. So a full year went by. I, I've gone on lots of podcasts, including, including yours, and I decided at the end here of 20 twenty-three going into 20 twenty-four to survey the embalmers again to see what they were seeing, uh, by the end of 20 [00:06:00] twenty-three.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So we ran the survey again. I ran it from the 8th of December through the 8th of January, and if you got the, the, uh, presentations on the screen, so do you want me to go ahead and step through the slides and show you the data that I collected?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you could and, and, okay. You know, since we're using Riverside, I don't know exactly how this is gonna work out in the end.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you have to click something to show it, uh, this may just run at the same time. So I don't know if you have to click anything or not.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Okay. I am just going to scroll down my scroll bars. I noticed that works. So I think, okay. Can you see the next slide? Yes, sir. That's working well. Okay. Uh, the first question by the way, in this year's survey is we always ask the embalmers where are.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They're a little skittish about identifying exactly where they're from, so, uh, and who they are. So we allow them to answer the survey anonymously. Sam, um, we turned off the IP tracking feature in SurveyMonkey, and, but our first question was for, [00:07:00] in the U.S, for example, is what state are you from? Um, and. We wanted to do that because we got enough results.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: We were wanting to check for regionality to see if there might be something to what's called the bad batch theory. You know, if with like maybe the Northwest United States had was a hot spot for a lot of, uh, findings of these clots as opposed to maybe the southeast, you know, unfortunately we did not get enough responses, Sam, to really check what we call regionality.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, but it was still interesting to see where the responses were coming in from. So the second question we asked Embalmers this year was, well, how many years have you been in embalmer? And as you can see there, quite a few of them have over 20 years of experience. And that's a good thing, right, Sam?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Because they know what the blood looked like in the years prior to Covid. They know what it looked like in twenty-twenty the year we had covid, but no vaccines yet. And they also know what it looks like in twenty-twenty-one to present in the years that we have both the Covid virus and the vaccine. [00:08:00] So that's a good thing.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: We, and the average of about 15 years of experience. We then ask the, uh, embalmers, how many corpses do you personally embalm per year? And if you take all those bars, average 'em together, you get about a hundred corpses per year. And, uh, that's also a good thing, right? So these, they embalm bodies on a regular basis.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: One of the embalmers that I deal with, uh, quite often is, uh, Mr. Richard Hirschman from the Died Suddenly movie. He's a trade embalmer, Sam, and he actually, uh, has contracts with about a dozen different funeral homes, uh, in Alabama where he does his embalming and he'll do, uh, usually over 300 corpses per year.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So he, he's very active. So, but the average there is about a hundred corpses a year. So these embalmers, these active embalmers, they know what they're seeing. They know what a body is supposed to look like, so we asked them the same question that we asked them. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you go back up and, and you may answer this later in your presentation, [00:09:00] but the, the part where it says like some of 'em give, do 300, you have, uh, 13 bombers that do over 300 a year.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Um, do you break it down where they more likely to see these fibrous clots? And you, you may answer this later. Uh, or where the ones who do less, or was it just kind of an average? They, everyone sees the same number of clots.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I did not go through and, and check to see, uh, the, the ones that did heavier amounts of body, seeing more clots.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: That's a good idea though. 'cause I think I have, the data will allow me to do that because I have the individual responses, so I could probably go back and track that, but I have not checked that yet. That's a, that's a, that's a good suggestion, Sam.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: My guess is they're, they'll probably see the same percentages roughly, regardless of whether they involve fewer bodies or more bodies. Unless maybe, uh, a more experienced embalmer who embalms more bodies may have a, a, uh, better technique. And I think sometimes it may come down to technique, right? An embalmer who's [00:10:00] very thorough would probably, uh, have find the clots more easily than somebody I.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Some embalmers are just called fluid pushers. You just try to try to get the fluid in and they don't do as a, a, a thorough as job as others. Those, those would probably be less likely to find the clots. But I, I didn't wanna insult the embalmers by asking, are you a fluid pusher or are you somebody who really takes your job seriously?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, so we just left the question the way it was. Um, of course the next question we asked, we wanted to know, uh, just like we did last year. Have you observed the white fibrous clot structures, uh, that you embalmed in, uh, 20 twenty-three? As you can see, there's pretty shocking results, Sam, of the 200 sixty-nine embalmers that responded to this year's survey.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So we got 90 more, uh, responses to this year's survey. We went from one seventy-nine last year to two sixty-nine this year in terms of responses. But as you can see, there's seventy-three percent of the EMB involvement is a hundred ninety-seven out of the two sixty-nine [00:11:00] this year. Saw the white fibrous clots in 2023, so that's not a good thing.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Another follow up question I have for this particular slide is if you could also run those numbers, if it's something you want to do to see if the people that were more likely to see the clots were the more experienced, more years in in this particular field as compared to, uh, the very few who had only been doing this for like two years to see if there's a difference there.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah, that's a good idea as well. Thanks. So then I'll obviously, the next natural question is, well, in what percentage of your corpses are you seeing these white fibers clots? Right. So as you can see there on the slide, uh, the answer is 20%. If you take all the, the, the bars there, including the green bar or sixty-three in Balmersall, none, and you do a weighted average, you come up with an average of about 20% of the corpses.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Uh, in 2023 contain these white fibrous clots, and that's down from [00:12:00] 30% in our last year survey in 2022. So that's a good trend. But you know what, that's not necessarily necessarily a vindication of the medical intervention that started in 2021 because as you know, most Americans took their first two medical interventions, Dr.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Sam, in 2021. About 80% of Americans, according to the CDC, took the medical intervention. Then only about 20% of American adults over the age of 18 took the Bivalent Omicron booster for BA-IV and BA-V. That came out in the fall of twenty-Twenty-two, and then, uh, even less Americans, I think it was only 15% or less, took the latest XBB-one 0.5 booster that came out last fall.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So you might expect the, the, uh, percentage of corpses with the white fibers class to go down. The further and further away you get from people taking their last medical interventions. So as you can see, you know, the note there on the slide is [00:13:00] embalmers saw these in zero percents of their corpses prior to, uh, 20 20 20.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah. If you look to left there, you can see forty-eight of the embalmers saw the white fibrous clots between 21 to 40% of their corpses. Um. Twenty-nine in Bulmer saw between forty-one to 60% of the corpses. 11 of Bulmer saw these white fibrous clots between sixty-one to 80% of their corpses. It's just, it's amazing, right?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: It's shocking. So one of the, uh, new phenomenons that the Yeah, go ahead.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It, it makes me wonder if we're seeing if their average is down this year from the previous year because there's less. People who are being embalmed who have these clots,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: because they were all embalmed the previous year. Uh, or majority of them were embalmed the previous year. [00:14:00]

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: That's true as well. That's a, that's a possibility. But like I said, the, that, that number though, one out of every five corpses still containing the clots at the end of 2023, to me, is alarming. Like I said, especially since most people are, most, most Americans are a couple years away from their last medical intervention, so that tells me, uh, in our first survey we kind of deduced that it might be possible that the white fibers, clots may take anywhere from six months to 18 months to grow to a point.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Where they cause a stroke or heart attack. And one of the reasons I say that is, is because most of the embalmers that I've talked to did not notice the white fibrous clots until the middle of twenty-twenty-one may, June, July timeframe. Whereas we know that the medical intervention rolled out pretty much in January of that year.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So if, and I say if the medical intervention is the cause of these white fibrous clots, and the embalmers didn't start seeing the clots showing up on their embalming table until. [00:15:00] Uh, the middle of 2021. That indicates to me that it may take, uh, six months at the earliest for these things to grow to a size where they stroke you out or give you a heart attack.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: But the fact that we're still seeing them two years later after people took their last medical interventions means that it may take them as long as maybe two years, you know, anywhere from like six to 18 to twenty-four months to build up to the point where they completely cut off circulation. Uh, cause a stroke or heart attack speculation on my part, but the data seems to support that.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So one of the other, uh, issues the bombers mentioned to me this year, Sam, was they saw a phenomenon called Microclotting in their corpses. They saw, they've been seeing this too since, uh, the, uh, 2021, but they don't describe it as micro clotting. Sam, they call it what looks like coffee grounds or dirty blood in the drainage coming off of the corpse as they're trying to put [00:16:00] the out to hide in and take the, uh, blood out of the corpse.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They see what looks like coffee grounds or dirty blood and look at the percentages there, Sam. Of the 200 sixty-nine embalmers that responded to the survey, seventy-nine percent of them 212 of the embalmers are, saw this phenomenon in twenty-twenty-three.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So that's shocking, not good. Absolutely shocking.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Especially these people had these. These people had these micro-clots before they died. Um, and can you imagine seeing this patient in the clinic and they're having signs of, let's say a stroke or pain somewhere in their body and their D dimer is elevated, which shows evidence of clots. But now we can't find a clot anywhere in their body because they have micro-clots too small to see.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And like, just like you say, this could be just as dangerous as the white fibrous clots because the microclotting occurs at a capillary level. You know, it can block the exchange of oxygen at the lungs, and then the carrying of that oxygen to all your ma major organs of your body, you know, including your, your brain, your [00:17:00] eyes.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So it could, and it, like I said, it can be just as serious as the white fibrous clots. So then we asked him, the next natural question was, well, in what percentage of your corpses are you seeing this Microclotting phenomenon? And if you look at that note down there, embalmers have seen this in the past before there was even covid micro clotting, but was very rare.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I think one of the embalmers mentioned to me that he saw microclotting occasionally in corpses, that people that had heavy chemotherapy done of. Is twenty-five percent of the corpses in twenty-twenty-three had this phenomenon. So it's at least a quintupling of what, what, what has been before in the terms of microclotting.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: If you look to the left again, you see fifty-eight embalmers saw between twenty-one to 40% of their corpses. Another thirty-two embalmers saw the microclotting between forty-one to 60% of their corpses, 16 of the embalmers saw between sixty-one to 80% of their corpses. [00:18:00] So it's again, a serious thing.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, uh, we asked last year the embalmers about grape jelly clots, and so we wanted to ask them the same question this year as well. And we asked what percentage of your corpses in 20 twenty-three contain the traditional grape jelly clots? Embalmers have been seeing grape jelly clots and what's called chicken fat clots forever.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Uh, they're very common and we, we embalmers, those are two types of clots embalmers saw prior to covid. The, uh, chicken fat clots by the chicken, fat clots are, uh, basically yellowish in color. They're much smaller and they tear very easily, so they're much different than these large white fibers clots that are tough, elastic, and, you know, hard to break.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, but in terms of the grape jelly clots, as you can see there, the average this year in 2023 or this last year. And Balmers saw these type of clots in 40% of the corpses. So we asked them, [00:19:00] well, what did you see, uh, in terms of grape jelly clots prior to, uh, 2019? And you can see there the average was about 30%.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So it didn't go up a lot, but it's still significant, right? It went up from 30% of corpses prior to covid to 40% of corpses. Now at the end of 2023. So now we have, there's three ways. Like I said, we have white fibers, clots that they've never seen before that have happened. Started, you know, in the last three years they've got this microclotting phenomenon, which is quintupled since, uh, the years before Covid.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And now we have grape jelly clots as well, going up from 30% on average to 40% of corpses. So in fact, uh, Richard Hirschman, the embalmer from Alabama who was in the died suddenly film. Tells me, Hey Tom. It used to be that I would see normal blood in people about eighty-five percent of the time, and abnormal blood about 15% of the time, and my corpses before [00:20:00] Covid came along.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: But since the years of covid and it's, it's been a flip, I'm seeing about 15% of my corpses have normal blood and eighty-five percent of my corpses have abnormal blood. So it's, this is not a good situation, Sam.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah, some of the embalmers also mentioned to me that there, uh, saw an increase, unfortunately in infant deaths, and that includes miscarriages, fetal devices, stillborns, and even SIDS cases, uh, in 20 twenty-three when compared to the years prior to the pandemic. We asked the embalmers about that. I guess the good news is, Sam, that the, the no bars longer, thank goodness most of the embalmers did not notice an increase in the infant deaths, but there were about 21% who did.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So then the next natural question that we asked them, and by the way, there might be an explanation for why that this is, uh, answer is the way it is. A lot of the embalmers have told me [00:21:00] that, um, there seems to be a lot more cremations of infants these days than before. So if there is any evidence of any kind of clotting or any unusual problems with the infant, that evidence of course is being destroyed if you're doing a cremation.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And, uh, I've also been told by the embalmers of many of the hospitals are, are, uh, uh, asking the parents now, uh, would you like us to dispose of the remains of the child? And so we'll take care of that for you. And a lot of parents are opting to do that. So of course, embalmers won't see those cases if the, if the hospital is disposing of the remains.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: But for the embalmers that are seeing this phenomenon, we ask them, well, what percentage increase have you seen an infant deaths compared to the years prior to Covid? As you can see there. For those that saw, it was an increase of twenty-five percent. If you take all the bar, if you do not include the blue bar, the long blue bar of one fifty-nine, but if you start the yellow bar and average those down, then you, you [00:22:00] see, you get a twenty-five percent increase in infant deaths in twenty-twenty-three compared to the pre-COVID years.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Only for those involved that saw an increase. So again, not a good thing.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: The last question we asked. Yeah, go ahead.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Do you study children? So not infants, not, uh, preterm, nothing like that, but just, um, you know, from age two to 18.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Well, that's a good question. You actually lead me right into the next segue. We also did not get a chance last year to ask the embalmers about age stratification.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So we put a question on there this year and, and this is this question we asked them, Hey, did you observe an increase in the number of clots of any type? There's grape jelly, white fibrous, or, um, the micro-clotting in the year 20 twenty-three compared to the years twenty-nineteen and prior. And we asked the embalmers to check all the age groups that apply here on this question so they could, they could [00:23:00] select multiple answers here.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And as you can see, um. The longest bars are at the older age groups, and that's not too surprising, right? You would expect somebody in the sixty-six to eighty-year-old group, for example, as plaque and cholesterol start to build up, start to have problems. But Sam, I am kind of disturbed at that thirty-six to fifty-year-old bar.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: You see that eighty-nine of the embalmers saw an increase in clotting for that particular age group. And what's interesting about that, Sam, is it dovetails very closely with a lot of the death and disability. Uh, insurance data that Edward Dowd's collecting, he saw an explosion starting in 2021 of death and disability in the 36 to 50-year-old age group.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So the data that I'm collecting from the embalmer seems to dovetail very closely with that, uh, information collected by Edward Dowd.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, so that was pretty much it for the, uh, presentation there. So. [00:24:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's shocking because, you know, it's, it's so easy to distance yourself when we say things like corpse or we say bodies or we, but this is someone's loved one. And yeah, it's when, when you start putting in human terms like that, like we look at the numbers and we look at them objectively because we have to, because it's, it's too painful to look at them in the other way.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But when you start putting a human face on that, it's like, what the hell has happened?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah. And you know what, Sam, it's causing great psychological damage to the embalmers as well because they're seeing something horrific happening in their embalming room. And many of them, Sam, feel afraid to speak out about it.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They don't wanna get their funeral home in trouble. They don't wanna lose their job. They see a lot of doctors, uh, that are standing up like yourself, who speak out against the medical intervention in any way, and. They'll get their licenses pulled or board certifications taken away from them. So they're scared.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They don't want to talk. And here's, by the way, this is what they're seeing. This is a, an [00:25:00] example of the clots. This was given to me by Mr. Richard Hirschman from the Died suddenly movie. He pulled this outta one person. So th this is an example of the white fibrous clots that he's finding on in about 50% of his corpses.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Richard's seeing them in about 50% of his corpses, even though I said the average is about 20% now. Richard's still seeing them in about 50% of his corpses. So it's not a good situation. And what's, what's interesting about what I just said about the embalmers, uh, you know, suffering some psychological damage is I, I actually got some data, data, that's when I did this last survey that shows a, when's a little bit of a scandal going on, Sam?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Um, like I said, this latest survey I ran from the 8th of December until the 8th of January, so I finished it up just about a month ago. We use SurveyMonkey as a tool. And what I did is I sent, just like I did last year, I sent the survey, uh, out using a two-pronged approach. I sent it to an a top-down approach to 50, [00:26:00] uh, national, regional and state funeral director associations all around the world.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Each of those with hundreds of members under them, right? Funeral directors and embalmers. And I asked those associations to pass the email with the link to the survey. You know, it's, they were easy. It was just, you click on the survey, you saw the 12 questions there. You know, we just asked the embalmers, what, what did you see?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Uh, when did you see it, and how much did you see? Right. Basically non-controversial questions, but I. I also used a bottom-up approach. I also found out the email addresses for over 1700 funeral homes around the world, and I sent the the survey directly to them as well, just in case the funeral director associations were not cooperative, right?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I wanted to use a two-prong approach. Well, after I sent out the survey to the world on the 8th of December, I checked my survey monkey collectors about five days later on the 13th of December. I only had about 14 responses so far. I said, oh no, this is terrible. I, I need to get more [00:27:00] responses. So I had a li, I have a list of the 30 U.S state funeral director associations that I sent the survey to.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I picked the top 30 US states by population and sent them the survey. So I called each of their organizations. I talked to either their president or secretary or somebody else in their office and I said, Hey, could you send out that survey your. Well, Sam, God bless the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They did exactly as I asked and I know that because the very next day I got up and checked my survey Monkey collectors and I had ninety-three responses, and they were all from one state, Pennsylvania. I then got up the next day and I had thirty-two more responses from embalmers and they were all from one state, Pennsylvania.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So in just two days I got a hundred twenty-five responses from embalmers in one US state. And it told me two things. It told me, first of all, embalmers, they wanna tell you what they're seeing in the embalming room If, [00:28:00] if they feel like they have their permission from their funeral home director or their state Funeral Director association.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: But it also told me something else, right? There were twenty-nine other state funeral director associations I sent that email to. They must not have forwarded it down to their embalmers. They must have suppressed it, hit the delete key and not forwarded it. So it tells me there's a huge suppression going on at the funeral Director Association level or at the funeral director level, not to want to take the survey.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And like I said, there shouldn't be any reason not to want to take it. I'm only asking you what did you see, when did you see it, and how much are you seeing? At no point in either the first survey I ran, nor the survey I that I just completed, did I ever mention the words covid or covid vaccine anywhere in the instructions or in the survey questions themselves?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, wow. And man, that is, that's shocking. It makes me wonder are some of these, um, these organizations, are they thinking, oh, is this some [00:29:00] conspiracy theory, even though you don't actually say covid or Covid shot? Um, are they concerned that they could be contributing to con some conspiracy, or is there a deeper reason that they're not doing that and they're being told to not speak about it?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: You know, well, here's. Many of these, in fact, most of these funeral director association presidents are funeral directors themselves. You know, they usually elect one of their own as the president of their association. If you were a funeral director and you had mandated that all your employees, including your embalmer, take the medical intervention, would you wanna participate in a survey that might show that the medical intervention is linked to these white fibers, clots, and these micro-clotting and these other issues?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: You might be setting yourself up for a lawsuit, especially if one of your employees got. Injured by the medical intervention. Right. Also, as I said earlier, uh, about 80% of Americans took the medical intervention back in 2021 according to the CDC. So there might be a little personal cognitive dissonance going on with the funeral directors [00:30:00] themselves.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They may not wanna know the answer to the survey if they've taken the medical intervention themselves. Just a couple of things I'm thinking about now, and what's interesting is I did get a couple of, uh, responses. I got a response, for example, from the. Executive director of the British Columbia Funeral Directors Association and saying they were not gonna participate in the survey.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Well, he made the decision for the entire province of British Columbia Canada that they were not gonna participate in the survey, you know? Wow. I also sent a, uh, I got an email response back from the national, um, uh, association of Funeral Directors of the UK of United Kingdom. I sent the survey to about six or organizations in the uk.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: London had their own Funeral Director association. Uh, there was another one called the British Institute of Embalmers. And, but then they also have this national organization of, uh, funeral directors as well. They set back an email saying, we're not gonna participate in the [00:31:00] survey. We'll let the British Institute of Embalmers answer for us.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I had already sent an email to the British Institute of Embalmers. What would be the harm in the National Association of Funeral Directors, their main organization in the UK with hundreds of members? What would be the harm in sending out my survey to them and asking their embalmers to take it? You know, it's, it's just amazing.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, yeah, it's, it's the same cognitive dissonance that I'm seeing amongst physicians who, who can't. Their brain won't allow them to see that they, they took it, they told others to take it, and that they could be responsible for harming themselves, their family and their patients.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah. In a recent video I did with Dr.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: John Campbell of the uk, one of the questions he asked me is, well. How come if this is happening so much and these white fibrous clots and this micro clotting might be in so many people according to what the Involvers are finding, why isn't it showing up in doctor's offices and stuff when they're, when people are going in for checkups?[00:32:00]

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I think maybe people are coming into the, to the doctor's office with conditions based on, but then they're being misdiagnosed or they're being steered away from the medical intervention as the possible reason. What do you think

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this person. Just personally, I've seen some patients with, uh, D-dimer levels incredibly high.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So D-dimer is, is a product that happens when you have clotting and breaking of clots incredibly high. And, you know, we do a, a CT, uh, of their chest to look at a pulmonary embolism, which is what you're typically see. Or we do, uh, an ultrasound of their legs to look for a clot. And we don't find anything.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We don't see anything.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah. You know, some people ask me to say, Hey, if, if. So much excess mortality is going on. This is such a disastrous thing. How come I'm not seeing that in my personal life? And you know, we in the United States, we've seen excess mortality of 10% in the last three years ever since the medical interventions have come out.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Surprisingly, by the way, countries in Africa, for example, with very [00:33:00] little uptake on the medical intervention. Or having no problems at all with excess mortality. You know, they have like 10, 15% of uptake. So that should tell you something. But I tell people, you know, uh, 10% excess mortality is probably pretty subtle at the individual, individual level.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: 'cause it means that, you know, well at, at the, at the, at the large level, like I said, 10 per, we have a country of 300 million people. And about 3 million of us died every year before the, uh, before covid even came along. So 10% excess mortality over the last three years means 10% of 3 million people dying, which is 300,000 extra people dying a year in the, in America.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And that's a whopping number, right? But if you look at it from the individual level. 10% excess mortality to you and me and people around us means that, hey, instead of seeing 10 people die this year, I saw 11 people die this year. That's 10% excess mortality. So you can see on a, on an individual level, are you really gonna notice, well, 11 people dying [00:34:00] this year versus 10 dying last year.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Probably not, right? But when you take that and you aggregate it up to mass populations, then it becomes 300,000 extra Americans dying every year. That's what's going on here. People don't see it at the subtle, at the individual level, but it's massive at the large population level.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And then that's where you, it as a, let's say an employer, you have a tough time finding someone to work for you.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, there's other reasons that they're not working, but if there's, if the pool of people to draw from is even smaller because it, there's not as many people in that, that pool. Yeah. It's harder to find, especially if they were skilled labor that worked in a particular sector that required this intervention.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Now, uh, last year when we, when we talked, you know, I was talking a lot about the, uh, the mRNA as, as the culprit. You were, are fairly convinced, uh, as well though that the lipid nanoparticles are uh, uh, very, very dangerous as well. Is your, do you still have that theory and have you changed it at all? [00:35:00] Um, because I, I, I agree with you.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I think it's both.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I think the mRNA is, I, I. I come to believe that it's, it's probably half, maybe up to half before I used to think it was less than half. Um, but even that is being pretty generous. I think half or more is the, the lipid nanoparticle and Wow. And the reason I think it's so, so bad is because in the Pfizer documents that had redaction codes in them had redactions in them.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The redaction code that was often used was Bravo four, which means that. If this information were expressed or shown, then that would inhibit the application of a state-of-the-Art U.S weapons system. And so right there, that tells me that that is the most dangerous part.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Well, that's, yeah. And like, and from Dr.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: John Campbell, of course we know that those lipid nano particle, they go everywhere. I saw the, uh. Lectures that was given by the late [00:36:00] Arne Burkhardt. I'm sure you've probably seen that as well, where he showed pathological slides of the spike protein from the me medical intervention found in the spleen, in the liver, in the heart, in the brain.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Testicles, ovaries, just everywhere. He even made a, he made a kind of a shocking comment during that lecture that he said, if I were a young, fertile woman, I would not marry a man who had taken the medical intervention if I wanted children. So it was shocking what he said.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That is shocking, and, and I hope that that doesn't play out.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Um, but I may have seen something that seems like that might be true clinically, and I pray that that's, wow, that's not the situation. Um, but yeah, it.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Sam, one of the things that motivated me to do this, uh, these two surveys is I have family members who've taken the medical intervention and I wanna know just how much they are in danger now, including my children.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I have children that are, uh, in their late teens, [00:37:00] uh, young twenties, and I, I, you know, I like to have grandchildren someday. I'm, you know, I don't, I don't wanna see them, uh, suffer from what, what they've done. They felt like they had to take it. They were going to the university. And the university was requiring it.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And rather than try to do a religious exemption to fight it, they said, dad, I don't wanna fight it. And you know, you know how kids are, they just think they can conquer the world, you know, it's nothing can hurt me. So they did the, they went the easy route and they took it not to, not to get into confrontation with their university.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And I, I'm worried sick that there's something, you know, something that's going to happen to them. Now, we have seen Matchmelling put out last year the. The whole Denmark study of the bad batch theory. I don't, you've probably seen the chart with the, the blue, the green, and the yellow line where the blue batches were.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Uh, I think there was only about, they comprised about 5% of the total batches, but they were responsible for about 80% of the severe adverse events. [00:38:00] And then there was a green line, which were, uh, batches that responsible for a moderate amount of, of, uh, uh. Severe events. And then there was almost a flat line that almost looked like it was placebo 'cause they were batches that had almost zero, uh, side effects associated with them.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Now, max said, uh, in a later video that he actually didn't have all that information processed by that time, and that that line is actually elevated slightly off the, off the, uh, flat. So those, even those yellow batches did create some, uh, adverse events as well. But it's, uh, but much, much less than the blue batches.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So that tells me that with sloppiness in the way these things were manufactured, or there's something about the, either in the distribution of them, the transportation, the storage, remember they were supposed to be stored in very cold temperatures, something along the way broke down, right. And caused an inconsistency in the, uh, in the product.[00:39:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And, and for your family, for other people out there that have family or even themselves out there listening, uh, try and go to F-L-C-C-C their website and, and search for a provider near you to see if they can help you, uh, work through these, these injuries that you've sustained from the Covid vaccine if you've received an injury from it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And even if you haven't, it might be. Worth doing some of the supplements that they suggest to help get rid of this spike protein and, and potentially get rid of some of the lipid nanoparticle. Um, unfortunately there's not, we don't know enough about this, this field because we don't know what the long-term outcome's gonna be.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I know it's, and that's why at the end of all my presentations I call for moratorium on this technology. I think the whole mRNA, lipid, nanoparticle delivery system technology. We need to have a moratorium on it until we do know more about it because as you know, Sam Big Pharma plans on unleashing a whole bunch of shots next year using this mRNA lipid nanoparticle technology.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They've got it [00:40:00] slated for the flu shot. The Shingles shot. The RSV shot. Moderna's got 40 of these in the pipeline right now. Unleash on the world in the next few years. Yeah. And we're, you know, we're talking about shots that are going not into just hundreds of millions of arms, but actually billions of arms.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, you know, five, five and a half billion with a B, People on this planet have taken at least one of these, uh, medical interventions. So this is, uh, it's not a good thing and I think we need to. Say, whoa, let's this stop, you know, and take a look. And what's unfortunate, Sam, is last year when I had the USA portion of my survey done on the, on the results last year, I sent them to the FDA.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: They had a meeting of their vaccine and related Biological products, Advisory committee on the twenty-sixth of January of last year. I actually asked to speak at that meeting. They had an hour set aside for oral presentations, and they gave 20 speakers three minutes apiece to speak. I, uh, I applied, but there was a lottery into too many speakers and I wasn't selected, but I did [00:41:00] submit my information in written format and then I got a tracking number, but they never contacted me, Sam, throughout the entire year.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I just, it's just a shame, the silence we've gotten from the CDC and the FDA.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The advice I would give to everyone listening to this is, yeah, you may distrust the, the, the covid shot itself, and, and you may not have lost trust in all of medicine because you're an optimist and you may not have lost trust in, let's say the shingles shot, the flu vaccine, all these.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I would just say. Think about this for a moment. How many people got in the line to get the flu shot and ended up getting the covid shot? How many changes are we seeing in like, I know the Shingrix, for instance, has a lipid nanoparticle in it. Um, consider if, if the government won't put a moratorium on it, enact one for yourself and for your children, and tell them this is not something to do.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You can always go back and get this, but you can't ever take it out. [00:42:00]

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: That's exactly what I tell my friends and family as well. You are the last line of defense, the citizen. Just because it's being pushed by the CDC, the FDA, big Pharma, and big media, the tv, you know, that doesn't mean you have to take it.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And I advise my family and friends not to.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that's, that's good advice. I haven't had a flu shot in probably four years now. And I never had the flu since then. That's interesting.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Well, it, it's made us lose trust in the whole system because we realized how sloppy the testing was and the testing, the results they did give us, and they tried to hide from us are not, the results don't look good, do they?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So they, they tried to hide a lot of data from us that, uh, that showed some, some fairly shocking, uh, adverse events. And, you know, we see what it looks like in VAERS, which we know is way under-reported all the, the, uh, damaging side effects in VAs. So we, we think that's, uh, maybe under-reported by a factor of twenty-six.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So, you know, it's, yeah, it's staggering. The, the, some of the estimates are, are out there by Dennis [00:43:00] Rancourt and, and, and others that maybe as many as 17 million people around the planet are, have died over the last three years since the medical intervention came out that was caused by the medical intervention.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There are some people that say that VAERS is controversial, which I don't believe it is. I believe it's underreporting, but the DMED data, the defense military Epidemiology database, you know, I helped blow the whistle on that, and then Ted Macy helped blow the whistle on that years later, after they allegedly had a glitch and fix the system, and it's still horrendous.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Then the increase in damage and destruction done to the military troops in a closed system. And it, it is a very accurate number. Even after they fixed a glitch, a quoted glitch and the numbers are still awful.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah, God bless you and Teresa Long and Pete Chambers and Tom Renz for bringing that to the attention of, uh, Senator Johnson.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Way back at the Defeat. The Mandates, uh, back in January of [00:44:00] twenty-Twenty-two. That was stellar work by you folks. It just shows, like I say, that our military has really been decimated and, and you, you know, you're talking about the, some of the fittest people, right? The pilots, uh, in the Air Force, the Navy SEALs, the Green Beret.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: These, these are the cream of the crop of our services, and they're the ones who are usually most concerned about what's going in their body. They're very particular about what they eat. About how they train their super athletes, and those are some of the ones that have sustained some of the worst damage.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: You know, we have, I know, you know, a lot of pilots have been grounded and had their careers destroyed, and it's, it's such a sad thing because they, you know, not just their health, but you know, the Air Force poured and, and the military poured millions and millions of dollars into the training of these people, and then they wind up grounded and they can no longer fly and do and do the things they wanted to do.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Tom, is there anything else you wanna add in? This has been, this has been a heavy episode and it's, it's weighing on me. [00:45:00] I'm not too talkative today and I apologize for that.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah, no, I, and, and you know, Sam, I, I understand because I know it's hitting close to home for you because you and I have a love for these military men and women, you know, they went into the service with a good heart wanting to serve their country.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: The last thing they wanted to do is be, is sign up to be a Guinea pig for a mandated shot. From a tyrant that, uh, you know, was, it was unethical in the first place. So, and then they were lied to. We were told something was safe and effective when it was not, and it's just been a disaster. And, um, I'm trying to get the word out to about, just, just this one side effect of these white fibers, clots.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Remember, there's also other side effects going on, turbo cancers, miscarriages, uh, neurological damage, you know, myocarditis. It's just, it's a never-ending, uh, sea of, of, of death and destruction. It's unfortunate. It is.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Do you know anybody who's done any, or if anybody has done [00:46:00] any analysis of those white fibers, clots to see what they could be made out of?

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Yeah. Richard Hirschman. He has collected dozens of vials just like the one I showed the audience, and he has sent those to laboratories all over the world for analysis. Um, um. Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, did an analysis very early on, uh, showing the chemical composition of the clots. And you know, not surprisingly, very little, uh, iron, magnesium or uh, potassium was found in them, which are in high amounts in blood.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So he is, we know it's not blood coagulating or else, you know, it would look red, but, uh, but you know, they did find some other things that were in high amounts, which was kind of weird, like tin. They found, uh, uh, uh, and I think they found high amounts of phosphorus, if I'm not mistaken, and some other metals in there as well.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So that's unusual, right? Dr. Ryan Cole, uh, Richard sent, uh, samples of the clots to him as well. He's looked at, he's the famous pathologist from Idaho [00:47:00] Dr. Ryan Cole. He's looked at 'em under a microscope and, uh, he's determined that they're, uh, looks like they're made of, um, fi fibrin. You know, our, our body's half fibrinogen.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Then it's in a liquid state, and then it converts into fibrin when, uh, there's damage done to the interior of the blood vessels and, and it's white, fibrin's white, and then platelets are found in there as well. Platelets are colorless. And then this amyloid A-M-Y-L-O-I-D or amyloid-like material. And there's some theories about how that's being formed.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Sam. One of the ones is a paper came outta Cambridge a few months ago talking about a process called Frame Shifting. I don't know if you've read that paper or not. Basically, frame shifting is a situation where the modified RNA from the modified RNA from the uh, medical intervention I. Uh, is being misread about 10% of the time by our ribosomes in our cells.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And once the lipid nanoparticle brings the mRNA like a Trojan horse [00:48:00] inside your cell, and, and then that mRNA start modified RNA starts to take over the machinery of your cell. We think that the pseudo-uridine that's on the, uh, modified RNA code is, uh, causing a skipping of the ribosomes reading. The RNA strand as it's as it's, uh, reading the strand to produce proteins.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And about 90% of the time we think it's it, according to this paper, this Cambridge paper. That it's producing the correct spike protein, which is not good in of itself because the spike protein's got problems. But about 10% of the time it's producing what's called aberrant or nonsense proteins. It could be of any length.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And we think that that may be contributing to this white amyloid-like material that's building up just one of the theories that's out there. So, wow, scientists are still looking at it all around the world. They're perplexed and they wanna know how this stuff is forming. And by the way, you know, the embalmers are insistent.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: That it's forming pre-death. They say that it can perform after death [00:49:00] as well, they believe, but the reason they say it's perform pre-death, Sam, is because you're picking up bodies that are only an hour or two old, and they've not been refrigerated yet. Persons just deceased, and they're still finding them riddled with these clots that they say there's no way that that clot could have formed in just the hour or two since the person passed.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: So in fact, there's a, uh. One of the funeral home directors that's in the died suddenly movie, she's also an embalmer. So some of the, like I said, they're in a dual role. They, they own the funeral home and they are the funeral director and they're also the embalmer. She's in that unique position so she can interact with the, the family of the deceased.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And every time that she finds the whitefiber cloths Sam, she'll go and she'll ask the family, Hey, did your uh, loved one take the medical intervention? And she says, 100% of the time, Sam. Without fail. The answer is yes. I know that's just anecdotal information, but it's, it's, it's shocking. Right. [00:50:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Tom, it's been great having you on.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Again, this is, this is a, it's always a heavy conversation with you, and I wish, uh, we could have met on better terms, but I'm so thankful that, um, through this, this disaster that's hitting the world, that people like you and I have been able to, um, build friendships and, and I am truly grateful for the work that you're doing.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Um, everybody needs to understand that you may not be a doctor, you may not be a scientist. You do what you can in your area and that will help the rest of the world.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Amen to that, Sam, and right back at you. You're a hero of mine. I really admire you. 'cause it took a lot of guts to do what you did. I, I was at the end of my career as a defense contractor, so I still have my retired Air Force major's pay.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I had, I was one year away from getting social security early. My wife is 10 years younger and still works. I. So I could tell the Air Force when I was given the mandate that I was not gonna take the jab, and I got fired from my 100 sixty-five thousand [00:51:00] dollars a year job, which I would've liked to have kept.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: I loved my job. It was fun. I was working in the F-sixteen SPO. We were upgrading jets for Singapore and South Korea. I got to travel to those countries, traveled to Lockheeds. A facility at Fort Worth, Texas oversee the work that was being done there to modify test jets for those countries. So I would, I loved my job, but nothing's more important than your health.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: And I knew that once something got injected in my body, it could never be taken out again. So I made my stand and I'm, I'm so glad that people like you have made a stand too. God bless you.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I'm just, I'm very blessed to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder, uh, with men like you and, and, and many women out there also.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm just very thankful that I'm not standing alone.

ret MAJ Tom Haviland: Thanks for having me, and God bless you. Thank you.[00:52:00]

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