132. ret COL Tom Rempfer Explains Anthrax
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ret COL Tom Rempfer: [00:00:00] All said and done, he said, if you don't take the vaccine, one word comes to mind. Traitor. So that was the environment we dealt with 25 years ago.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Uh, and technically it's better than grass fed, grass finished. My next guest is Colonel Tom Rimfer. Now Colonel Rimfer is, is not new to this whole COVID fight. He was fighting this same idea before it was COVID when they first did the same battle plan against the U. S. service members. Tom, great to have you on.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much for being here.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Thank you, doctor. I appreciate it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Please call me Sam.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Okay, Sam.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So now you have a book that's coming out that, that's, tell us about that book.[00:04:00]

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Sure. Um, thanks, Sam. Uh, the book is, uh, kind of a passion, uh, that's been going on for 25 years. Um, I've got a copy of it here. The publisher sent me some copies, so I'm going to just put that up. Um, the book is called Unyielding and it basically documents a 25 plus year, uh, marathon, uh, in order to, uh, try to challenge, uh, what were and are, uh, illegal mandates for unapproved medical products.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, up at the top of the book, uh, there is a, uh, a gracious quote by, Rfk jr. That was in his book. Um, uh, the wuhan covera and the forward for the book was done by dr Philip zimbardo, who was one of my instructors at the naval postgraduate school And dr. Zimbardo talked, [00:05:00] uh about has has taught about psychological forces social forces group forces situational ethical forces and how people with uh You astounding regularity, um, buckle to those forces and go along with higher authority, even though higher authority in the case of both the anthrax vaccine mandate and the COVID shot mandates, those were patently illegal mandates.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And unfortunately the entire society, media, uh, the courts, the legislature initially went along with it. Um, there's also a, a picture of an airplane, a cartoon. And I wanted to just give a little bit of an explanation about the illustration. It was done by the same illustrator that did another, uh, cartoon, uh, 25 years ago, uh, when we first encountered the anthrax vaccine dilemma.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Uh, the anthrax vaccine, uh, cartoon depicted, uh, Um, uh, two pilots flying in an airplane with [00:06:00] a syringe chasing after it. Um, and, uh, the pilots had a caption saying, you know, the Pentagon says it's, uh, safe, and the other pilot says, really, prepare to eject. So that cartoon was kind of defensive in nature, and although I thought it was, uh, catchy, um, I, I tracked down the same cartoonist, illustrator, and, uh, And I said, Hey, this is what I'm writing.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: I'm trying to capture these lessons learned from, uh, two illegal, um, uh, immunization mandates, um, over the course of 25 years, that actually both involved lab leaks, uh, two lab leaks, um, 25 years apart, uh, in order to either, um, save the first vaccine program, the anthrax vaccine program, Or to push the COVID, um, uh, injection mandates.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Uh, they were both lab leaks. And so, um, needless to say, he, he put together this, um, illustration, which is on the cover [00:07:00] and it is more offensive in nature rather than having two pilots, uh, running away from a syringe, um, the pilot in this A 10 like, uh, cartoon airplane, Is going after, uh, the injection. Um, and, and that basically illustrated our fight rather than running away, uh, rather than getting out of the military, um, rather than, uh, bending to the, the fear and the bullying, um, and literally accusations of us being, uh, traitors.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: If we didn't accept the, um, the immunization, uh, 25 years ago, our commander referred to us as traitors. It's on my website. Unyielding. org. Um, there's several video clips there and the video clips, um, specifically came from a FOIAed videotape. So they were released publicly and that videotape shows the commander acknowledging that our questions haven't been answered, that he needed to [00:08:00] give us more answers, that there were, um, efficacy limitations for the vaccine and that the data that we were requesting, um, did not exist.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And, uh, you know, All said and done, he said, if you, if you don't take the, um, the vaccine, one word comes to mind, traitor. So that was the environment we dealt with 25 years ago. And we were forced out of our A 10, uh, flying positions. Uh, we were, uh, A 10 fighter pilots. I'd previously been, uh, Very grateful that my nation, our taxpayers, my country, my Air Force, um, trained me up in F 16s and F 117s and A 10s.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, I was proud to serve. I always volunteered to deploy to serve. Um, and instead of answering our legitimate questions about the vaccine program, we were essentially framed as being traitors for Uh, not accepting what we knew was an investigational, experimental, unlicensed, um, uh, [00:09:00] drug product by the Food and Drug Administration.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And uh, a little bit more on the background, we only became involved in this because our commander actually formed a team, uh, myself and, uh, my late colleague, uh, Lieutenant Colonel Russ Dingell, uh, who I basically, uh, you know, create a tribute to in the book because he was the intellectual. Um, founder of all of the, uh, arguments about the illegality of the vaccine program.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And we brought those concerns to the chain of command. We were officially tasked to bring those concerns to the chain of command. And the concerns that we highlighted were not only that the vaccine was investigational and in direct violation of a law, um, under title 10 of the U. S. code section 1107, that said soldiers could not be mandated to be vaccinated.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: To take investigational drug products. They had to be given their prior right of informed consent. We provided, uh, information to the chain of command that showed that the, uh, vaccine program suffered significant malfunctions, [00:10:00] um, as, as much as over 10 years earlier. The Department of Defense had acknowledged through requests for proposal that they needed a new vaccine, one that worked properly and didn't have high adverse reaction rates.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: They put out that request for proposal to get a new vaccine. Simultaneously in 1985, they published in the Federal Register a proposed rule for the vaccine license, which they never finalized. So that's another reason why, in addition to being investigational, it was fundamentally a unapproved drug product by the Food and Drug Administration.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And that caught up with the department of defense and the food and drug administration. Um, many years later in our lawsuit, um, against the vaccine program, the federal court declared that the vaccine was investigational and that the mandate was patently illegal. And the judge actually referred to, um, the department of defense treating its soldiers as guinea pigs.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And it disallowed it. It enjoined the program. Um, served the Department of Defense and the Food and Drug Administration with an injunction and they [00:11:00] stopped the program. Um, but other things that we had presented to the chain of command, um, at that time and in the years that followed included, um, that the Food and Drug Administration had actually cited the manufacturer with significant violations of current good manufacturing practices.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, there were FDA, uh, inspection forms that showed that the vaccine manufacturing product. process was not validated. And so they were trying to mandate on two plus million soldiers, a vaccine that came from a plant that had been, had lost its FDA validation, had for all practical purposes been shut down due to these FDA inspections.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And they'd actually received a notice of intent to revoke their license. Yet the department of defense went forward with this program. Anyway, called us traitors for not wanting to go along with the patently illegal conduct, forced us out of our jobs. Now, I was very fortunate. I was able to stay in the military.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: I dodged and weaved and jinked, as we call it, [00:12:00] in, in fighter type aircraft. I outmaneuvered them and I stayed in the military and they never came after me, which I'm grateful for. But that says something about the propriety of the military mandate. They knew that what we'd highlighted was a patently illegal order and they didn't want to highlight it.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: But simultaneously they kicked out over a thousand service members out of the armed forces. And ever since I've been trying to get those records corrected. And thanks to the previous administration, we were actually successful in getting some records corrected, but they make these kids, these young people, not kids anymore.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: They make them apply individually, even though it was the Department of Defense that egregiously violated the law. And let's fast forward now 20 years, and one of the reasons why I finally wrote the book on yielding was the patterns that we encountered 25 years ago All resurfaced with the COVID injection mandates, the department of defense, once again, ended up implementing a [00:13:00] patently illegal order.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Now, initially I try to be gracious and I say that I was proud of the department of defense up until the summer of 2021 when they were voluntarily administering the COVID injections to the troops because they knew perfectly well they were emergency use authorized. Emergency use authorized products.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Can only be given on a voluntary basis. Troops have to have their prior consent rights. The civilian parallel law says they have to be given their option to accept or refuse. So this applies to all troops and all citizens. And not only did the military, but also the government made a massive overreach with the COVID vaccine mandates.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: They learned no lessons from the anthrax vaccine, uh, experience. And they ended up mandating them on the majority of American citizens through a variety of mandates, most of which were actually declared illegal by the federal courts. And the military mandate ended up being shut down by [00:14:00] legislative action.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: The Congress shut that mandate down unprecedented, just like the judiciary shut down the anthrax vaccine program. Unprecedented yet the military and the government appears to have learned no lessons from this and they punished thousands with anthrax vaccine and they punished tens of thousands with COVID vaccines.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: It's wrong. It's un American and. They basically used lab leaks in order to scare people into compliance. For instance, let's wind back over 20 years. The anthrax vaccine program was on the verge of cancellation by the new, um, Bush administration. Uh, I had been working, uh, thanks to the efforts of H Ross Perot, who sent me to a great deal of meetings along with my, uh, late colleague, Russ Dingle, who, by the way, um, all profits from the book go to Russ Dingle's family.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, We went to a variety of meetings set up by H. Ross Perot in Washington, D. C. and at the [00:15:00] Pentagon, and he connected us with, uh, Karl Rove at the White House. Karl Rove called us, asked for our research materials, guaranteed us that the program was going to be investigated by the Department of Defense, gave us the information, um, about the review.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Uh, we discovered that they recommended, uh, at the Secretary of Defense level, they recommended the cancellation of the anthrax vaccine program, minimize the vaccine's use, and determine a doctrinally coherent manner to deal with these threats in the future, which was also the premise of our congressional testimony several years earlier.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And so they were going to cancel the program in August of 2001. One month later, 9 11 happens, and one week after 9 11, anthrax letters go in the mail. Somebody put anthrax letters in the mail to capitalize on the fear of 9 11 and to try to scare the American people and try to get the anthrax manufacturer back up and running.[00:16:00]

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And it was successful. The anthrax vaccine was actually accelerated. They gave an accelerated approval to the manufacturing process, even though we had identified that they were adulterating the vaccine. illegal manufacturing, uh, processes that had gone into effect in the preceding years. Those were all verified by government accountability office, uh, reports.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, and they ended up starting up the anthrax vaccine again based on that fear bomb of the anthrax letters. And it's, uh, it's, it's important to note that it took the federal bureau of investigation in the department of justice over 10 years to put out findings and what they called the Amerithrax report that Amerithrax report said that the motive for the anthrax letter attacks, the fear bomb, the bio incident.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: The lab leak that came from Fort Detrick, anthrax spores from Fort Detrick in those letters, that lab leak was the motive for the anthrax letter attacks. According to the FBI, I [00:17:00] suspected it from the very beginning. I gave tips to the FBI from the very beginning on that, but they waited 10 years to call it for what it is.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: It was a bio incident and a lab leak, and the motive was to save the failing anthrax vaccine. program to rejuvenate it. And they were successful. The FBI report says, says that, that it was successful beyond, um, the perpetrator's, you know, wildest imaginations. Uh, and the, the alleged perpetrator actually was given awards by the Department of Defense for helping to get the anthrax vaccine program back up and running after the anthrax letter attacks.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: It's astounding. And the American people, for the most part, don't know any of this history. They don't know the history because the FBI waited 10 years. They They don't know any of the history because the Congress never went back and, and made sure that they corrected the records for the troops that had been illegally experimented on.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: One of the people in Congress, Senator Tom Daschle, was actually attacked with anthrax letter, [00:18:00] and he was one of our primary, uh, Um, uh, representatives, uh, elected representatives that we had briefed his staff, and he had written a letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and he questioned the punishments meted out.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: But after the anthrax letter, the Congress dropped all oversight. They never went back and fixed those records for the troops. That should happen. So I've tried to put together Unyielding to tell the American people this history, that unfortunately our government and our military, uh, Um, is, uh, reticent to explain to people, it's all true.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: I laid it out in unyielding to try to not only get the records corrected for the troops from, uh, over 20 years ago, but also the 10, 000 plus troops that were punished with respect to COVID vaccines, even though the Congress had put forth intent in legislation in order to make sure that troops who refused COVID vaccinations got honorable discharge, discharges.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: They basically [00:19:00] pulled a fast one and they were able to give them general discharges under honorable conditions, but that barred these folks from getting their earned educational benefits. It all needs to be erased. They should invite everyone back in because it was the department of defense that violated the law and most explicitly violated the secretary of defense's directive.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: It's on my website. I've put it on my, uh, my Twitter or X account, Remfer underscore Thomas. The department of defense directive by the secretary of defense specifically said for COVID injections that they would only give FDA approved product to the troops, but you and I both know that never occurred throughout the entirety of the mandate deadlines, they only had emergency use authorized medical products.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: unapproved medical products for the troops. The troops had to be given their prior consent rights. [00:20:00] They could not mandate it. That is what paragraph five of the secretary of defense directive, which is still on the department of defense website says. They expressly violated that Secretary of Defense directive.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: The troops did nothing wrong. The troops simply exercised their legal and set death directive prior consent rights. And, and finally, I just want to explain that that whole emergency use authorization, um, uh, ability for the Food and Drug Administration, the government, the military to offer, uh, people the option to accept or refuse emergency use authorized products It came from the aftermath, the disaster of the anthrax vaccine program.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: After the federal courts declared the anthrax vaccine program illegal, the Food and Drug Administration provided a notice in the Federal Register and got approval from the court to offer emergency use authorized products on a strictly voluntary basis. [00:21:00] Nope. No punishment, no penalty, no loss of entitlements, no loss of benefits.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: That is not only what the law says under Title 10 Section 1107A and Title 21 Section, um, uh, 360 BBB 3, but that's also what it says in the Federal Register, also on my website, unyielding. org. It specifically says it had to be optional. That is the precedent, and that was the law, and the government blatantly violated that law with COVID mandates on our troops and on all civilians.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: So with that, again, I just want to say that this is all a tribute to my dear late colleague, Russ Dingell, who was the intellectual heavyweight with the anthrax vaccine, uh, fiasco, uh, illegality arguments. And, uh, the book is a tribute to him. And the book is a history lesson for the American people so they can understand that they didn't just do this once, they did it twice.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And [00:22:00] this follows many previous medical, uh, disasters with the military that has harmed military medical trust. And now that same lack of trust has translated out to the civilian community and to America as a whole. on the whole. And, you know, with that, Sam, I just kind of appreciate the gracious opportunity to give an introduction.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Uh, I want to answer your questions.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Um, thank you so much for coming on and for, for sharing. Um, yeah, it, when you were explaining, uh, what happened and how it happened, it's, it's almost like I was watching what did happen in my generation. You know, it's the same exact playbook. It's, it was like, it's a shark pump.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: For your generation to, to get it right for my generation. It's, it's absolutely astounding how it's the exact same thing. It was already declared to be illegal, and yet they just did it again and didn't care. It,

ret COL Tom Rempfer: it's mind blowing.[00:23:00]

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Yeah, exactly. Um, same playbook. Um, the harassment, the bullying, the coercion, the allegations of internet misinformation, malinformation, disinformation. With these dilemmas, the only entities that are actually responsible for misinformation, malinformation, and, and, uh, disinformation, We're the government and the military.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And so I've been at this for 25 years, trying to get it corrected. And unfortunately the government's pulled all of the, all of the same tricks. Matter of fact, Dr. Fauci was involved 25 years ago. His ascension within NIH and NIAID basically began after the anthrax letter attacks. They get got massive allocations because everybody was scared.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Congress gave them. Billions and billions of dollars to buy more anthrax vaccine, uh, even though it was, it was technically an unapproved medical product. And so what's interesting about that is even Dr. Fauci admitted publicly that the, uh, [00:24:00] anthrax vaccine could be countered. The primary way to counter it was with simple antibiotics.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: So early treatment, very similar to COVID. They knew perfectly well that early treatments. Were effective, um, to treat the, um, the illnesses, but just like with anthrax vaccine, they went ahead and bought all kinds of vaccine anyway and push the vaccine. So that pattern also applies to both dilemmas. Dr.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Fauci knew that anthrax, uh, illnesses could be fully combated with simple antibiotics, but they wasted billions and billions over many years on this vaccine that was constantly expiring, never used, nobody was attacked with anthrax other than Dr. Fauci. From the lab leak from the army facility, supposedly by the army scientists responsible for the anthrax vaccine, potency testing, and program at Fort Dietrich, an inside job, a bio incident, a lab leak to push a program [00:25:00] that.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: It took 10 years for them to give this truth to the American people. And so it's, it's the patterns I try to lay out the patterns. It's a significant theme of the book for people to understand the patterns of the two dilemmas.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing you had mentioned is, and I don't know if you ever had the opportunity to, to look at these documents, um, but when the.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The order came out that the troops had to take this, um, FDA approved vaccine, uh, when there was this, this 24 hour period where there may or may not have been an actually, uh, Pfizer approved vaccine, um, but within that 24 hours, that approval was gone. The actual Order that came out the printed order when you read through it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it took me about two years of reading through it before I actually really realized the words that I was reading, I thought it said that there, that the troop, the commanders will ensure that there are FDA approved vaccines available, but what the words actually said on [00:26:00] the piece of paper that had been poured through by lawyers prior to its release, it said, the commanders will ensure that there is DOD approved vaccine available.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: So, so Sam, you know, you are a operational practitioner in medicine. I am an operational practitioner with airplanes. I know perfectly well that an entity that has no regulatory authority over the operation of my airplane has no business with me. Making any kind of decisions related to my airplane.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: The same goes for you in the practice of medicine. And the same goes for the food and drug administration and regulatory type decisions. The department of defense had zero authority under the law to say something was approved. Only the FDA had that authority. And even though the FDA tried to smoke, uh, everybody with the idea that there was something that was interchangeable.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: The FDA did not say it was interchangeable. It was not interchangeable. [00:27:00] And they tried to confuse everybody with a confusing concept, which you were very familiar with that the practice of medicine in the practice of medicine, a doctor can offer something on a voluntary basis as interchangeable. Uh, the FDA says nothing's interchangeable with the COVID injections that is FDA approved versus the EUA product.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And the department of defense had no legal authority to. Uh, assert that product was FDA approved. Everything, uh, that military members were given or offered said emergency use authorized on it. And therefore, under the law, they had to have their informed consent. There's an interesting little sub provision within the Code of Federal Regulations 21 CFR.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: One zero point eight five. And it actually says that, you know, anything that somebody wants an opinion on has to go through a federal rulemaking process. And so if you want to get an advisory opinion, opinion that says something's interchangeable and have the FDA [00:28:00] support that, You have to make it a part of the legal process.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: The legal process is federal rulemaking. You can't put out a personal opinion like the Department of Defense did on interchangeability, uh, or their assertion that something is approved and say that it carries the weight of law or any kind of regulatory authority because it doesn't. Um, and, and that's actually very similar with the Department of Justice memo that came out that basically green lighted mandates.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Absolutely in violation of the law and an absolute misinterpretation of the law and of the code of federal regulations that related to human protection. The idea that there could be consequences for, uh, some kind of an emergency use product is true, but they were medical in nature only, and that is supported by FDA documents going back to 2007.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: There were only medical consequences for people. declining to be involved in taking emergency use [00:29:00] authorized products. Nowhere in the law, the intent from Congress, the Code of Federal Regulations, nowhere were adverse consequences or quote unquote secondary consequences which were invented by the Department of Justice Who also has no regulatory authority to be saying what is approved and what is not approved, and, and, and that mandates are approved.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: They have no authority to, to say that or, um, assert that. Uh, once again, it was a personal opinion by a singular Department of Justice official who misinterpreted the context or intent of consequences, which were supposed to be only I'm hopeful that just like the Ninth Circuit has, has done recently, that the courts will finally do their job, provide that oversight, and make sure that the clear intent of the law or any kind of applicability of past Supreme Court precedents about, uh, mandates, [00:30:00] um, are, are finally, uh, given proper judicial review.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, another interesting subject of this whole thing is Are these vaccines or are these countermeasures and if they're countermeasures, then what is a countermeasure? I mean you flew on planes and you had countermeasures on planes. What is a countermeasure in your opinion?

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Yeah, so my counter measure on my airplane Chaff and flares in order to hopefully immunize my airplane from soaking up a, uh, heat seeking or a radar missile.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And you know what? They work. They do, if I'm employing them, immunize me from, uh, being hit by a missile. But guess what? We all know that these, uh, injections did not immunize anyone against, uh, uh, the COVID, the SARS CoV 2 infection. And that's what's so pivotal about the, uh, Ninth Circuit Court ruling, whether it's [00:31:00] transmission or infection, they basically said that the Jacobson Supreme Court ruling does not apply.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: You can't just say you can mandate anything you want because Clearly, these were medical treatments. They were countermeasures that did not immunize, uh, subjects against the disease. Instead, it was simply a medical treatment, and medical treatments under the 14th Amendment require informed consent.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, and to further that idea is of the countermeasure.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If the listener goes back and watches the episode or listens to the episode 33 that I prepared in the past, and in there, I make the claim that on, I think it was 17 March of 2020, we entered into a war. Because to be able to have emergency use authorization, you must first have the American population on US soil or foreign soil, or the military under a biologic chemical or nuclear nuclear attack.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so [00:32:00] those are all Weapons used against either Americans on American soil, Americans on foreign soil, or against the American military. And that must be met before you can have emergency use authorization used. So for them to, to make that declaration of this is going to be under emergency use authorization, I make the claim that you must first be at war, and then that's where the countermeasures for this war come into place.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then to further that point, I make the claim that if you look at the Pfizer documents, and you look at the Bravo 4 redaction code, That's used quite often in there, and then you look at the, um, uh, was it the United States archives, and you look at what Bravo 4 means, and you read through that, and it says to release the information covered up here would inhibit The application of a state of the art U.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: S. weapons system. Now, to my understanding, Pfizer is not in the business of making state of the art U. S. weapons systems. [00:33:00] Why would that redaction code show up on their documents released through FOIA?

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Yeah, that's new information for me, but I will comment on the idea of the public health emergency. And, Uh, some of the, the specificity as far as the requirements, um, uh, you know, I'm not as familiar with that.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Instead, I just tracked the idea that they had public health emergencies, both for anthrax as early as 2005, um, and also for Covid. And they, they went ahead and reissued those public health emergencies on multiple occasions, a, as they did reissue the emergency use authorization for the Covid vaccine, knowing perfectly that actual.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: FDA approved COVID vaccines made under the regulatory standard for an FDA approved product were never made available for the American people. So, um, this comes down to the credibility, not only of the public health apparatus, but also our government regulatory officials. So in the book, I [00:34:00] actually, um, Uh, a, uh, a link for public health emergency for anthrax vaccine that has now been continued out to 2027.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Okay. So think about that. Anthrax has never been used as a, uh, biological threat against the American people by anything other than an army insider. From a lab leak, a bio incident, uh, an inside job, right? And they have a public health declaration that has been made and it's been extended all the way out to 2027 when no U.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: S. soldiers ever encountered anthrax on the battlefield or had to be protected from it. And even if they did need to be protected from it, simple antibiotics provided to our soldiers will save their lives. probably better than, according to our public health officials, according to Dr. Fauci, better than the the vaccine ever could.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And so [00:35:00] you've got to ask yourself the question about whether it's the actual requirements for making public health declarations, public health emergency declarations, but also the idea that they are Um, egregiously violating the trust of the American people by making public health declarations all the way from 2005, although all the way out to 2027 for a threat anthrax that has never actually occurred by anything other than an inside job, from a lab leak, a bio incident by an in insider.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, so it's, it's outrageous and the reason why they do it is to give, um, their manufacturer buddies. product liability protection and all covered entities. They're giving themselves product liability protection and program liability protection by putting out these products, these unapproved medical products via public health emergencies.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: This isn't for the [00:36:00] American people, it's for them. They have violated the trust of the American people and they need to be held accountable.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What else do you want to tell us about your, um, about this particular fight? And, and, well, let's, let's say how you've helped guide the younger generation in this COVID fight.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Yeah. You know, I've, I have been so impressed by the quality of the service members that have, uh, stood up for their oath. Um, adhered to their oath of office, adhered to their code of conduct, not to harm their fellows, uh, adhered to their honor codes to make sure that they, um, are honest and, uh, adhered to all of their core values of excellence.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Uh, there's an impressive, very impressive. cadre of soldiers that did refuse. And the Department of Defense has lost, uh, incredible quality, um, people that, uh, that basically [00:37:00] just did their job. They did their job according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice that basically says that they have to refuse patently illegal orders, which the COVID injection mandates were and the anthrax, uh, vaccine mandates were.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Patently illegal orders. So they adhered to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and that is upheld by the Manual of Court Martial that specifically says that an inference of legality does not apply to a patently illegal order. So, uh, when we talk about the troops in the, in the two different scenarios or fiascos, 25 years ago, there were about a thousand that need to have their record corrected, but in the future, they need to correct at least 10, 000 records for the troops that were wrongfully discharged and given general, um, under honorable condition discharges.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: And they also need to make sure that they, Um, do their job, restore the trust for the troops in making sure that they, um, protect the careers for those [00:38:00] people that still are in the military. There were up to a hundred thousand people that had not submitted to the mandate that once the Congress in it, in the unprecedented maneuver canceled the, um, COVID, uh, injection mandates, there are.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Almost 100, 000 people that had not complied and there was all kinds of probably professional discrimination that was going on, uh, and against, uh, that group of people. So not only should they invite everybody in and correct the records and restore careers, if those people, uh, want to, but they need to make sure that they protect the people that are still in, um, from being retaliated and reprised against in the future.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, I've mentioned it a couple times, um, in, in past interviews, uh, that one of my dear old friends is now the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and he put out, uh, a memo, uh, All about trust being the foundation. And I agree with that. And I think the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of defense, um, either now or in the [00:39:00] future, in addition to the commander in chief need to make sure that they put forth directives, presidential proclamations, presidential executive orders.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Whatever it takes, they need to fix this real time. It's already been three or four years and over two decades with anthrax vaccine, but no different than President Clinton and President Bush fixed, uh, um, uh, bad medical history issues with respect to, um, uh, nuclear testing in Agent Orange. The, uh, Current president or the next president needs to fix this and restore that trust that our Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has, um, rightly said, is the foundation of our armed forces.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Expressing humility, having the courage to do the right thing is the only way to move forward. If they do it, this controversy will end fairly quickly. If they don't do it, it's going to go on for another two, three, Two or three decades until some president [00:40:00] has the courage like President Clinton and President Bush did Uh 20 30 years ago to correct records Uh, they need to do it So the this controversy doesn't last for decades and decades And so that we can be proud of the courage and humility of our department of defense and government officials

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, I have a devil's advocate thought here.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, let's say, let's say that, um, someone does apologize, but how do we keep that behavior from happening in the future when people feel free to give illegal orders as long as the government apologizes for it later?

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Well, number one, they've wrapped themselves with the liability shields of the emergency use authorized products. So there's very little liability in saying, I'm sorry, we're going to correct things. Okay. Um, uh, I think that's the most important part. Um, number two, I think there will be a psychological [00:41:00] effect.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: If the military has to humble themselves, has to bow over and say, we're sorry, we were wrong. You know what? They're actually going to think twice next time they do this. Nobody said sorry after anthrax vaccine and its crimes. Uh, and nobody apologized. Nobody was held accountable. So therefore there was no psychological effect.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Uh, no, no barrier, no history, no accountability to keep them from doing it again with COVID vaccines. If the nation was was forced by a chief executive or a Congress or a court to say, we were wrong. We're sorry. We're going to fix it. I think they would actually think twice about doing it again. There's all kinds of levels of accountability.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, uh, my belief is correcting all of the records for everyone, soldiers and citizens, retroactively, fully. Without application is the [00:42:00] right way to do it. That precedent will keep it from ever happening again.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Colonel Renfrew, thank you so much for sharing your book with us. I can't wait to get my copy and start reading it. Uh, I hope it comes out on audio book. I'd love to hear you read it. Uh, Hopefully I can, uh, light a fire under you for doing that because I'd love to hear you read it. I love your passion about this, and I also want to personally thank you for being a guiding force and a leader through this entire process.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I know you, you kind of alluded that a bit, but, um, but there's been many meetings where I've been sitting in with other of these, um, service members. You talked about where you're there giving guidance, you know, because you've been through this fight before. You say, well, well, remember this and remember that and, and this is what they did before.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this is how we countered it before. And, you know, consider these things. And I want to truly thank you from the bottom of my heart, the leadership that you've given in the past while I was still in, [00:43:00] you know, whatever middle school or high school, um, But even now, while I was in the fight and continuing to give that guiding leadership to the service members that are still fighting.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Yeah. And I appreciate that, Sam. And as you know, I tried very early on to be very careful. Tiptoe. I, um, I was very concerned because I had helped RFK Jr, uh, with a citizen petition at the, uh, uh, behest of Dr. Meryl Nass. And when we put together that citizen petition, it did appear the government was going down this wrong road again.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: So I would, I was trying to be very careful to not encourage people to refuse. COVID vaccines. I didn't want to cause the professional problems that we had, uh, endured over the years. But once soldiers did refuse, and once the military started punishing soldiers with general, uh, discharges, coercing, harassing, bullying them, once I saw all the same patterns, I, I, I basically felt like as with the anthrax vaccine, I had a duty to it.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Get involved and stay involved. [00:44:00] And in contrast to initially being proud of the department of defense for voluntarily administering, um, emergency use authorized products, I was, it was shameful that they turned around and started mandating emergency use authorized products, not only in violation of law, but in express violation of the secretary of defense directive.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: So it's shameful. It has to be corrected. And I have been proud to. Hopefully, uh, provide some of the, the background, the historical experience, um, and, and that's what the book does as well. It provides, uh, some rules of engagement for whistleblowers. And not only do I lay out the patterns, uh, between these two, um, dilemmas, but I also try to, uh, lay out some, uh, guidelines for how whistleblowers should try to handle these situations.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where can we get your book at? When does it come out? And what is your website? If you want to look

ret COL Tom Rempfer: it up. I will add one, uh, part of that. One of the, one of the most important [00:45:00] aspects of my, of my rules of engagement is never give a mammo. You know, never give the Department of Defense, uh, or the government, uh, uh, any commander an opportunity to change the subject and, uh, come after you for some other, uh, tangential allegation.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: That's what they do. They try to, uh, create a case against people so that a discharge of a soldier or a, firing of an employee, uh, is not about the fundamental policy issue that was in violation of the law. I always say, no ammo, don't give them ammo. I've, I've trained my kids from day one with that kind of guidance.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: So part of that ammo is, uh, not giving them ammo is giving a disclaimer that says, um, my views do not represent the department of defense or the U. S. government at this time. But my caveat to that is it should, they need to have the honor to Resurvey their judgments and follow their oath of office and correct [00:46:00] everything for the troops and the citizens, uh, who have, they have wronged.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, to, to that ammo effect. Uh, I know a physician, he's actually interviewed him here and he was discharged other than honorable because he refused to wear a mask because, well, that wasn't part of the COVID issue. Well, When you look at COVID masks or any masking, they were under emergency use authorization, so it was covered by the exact same law that you were talking about.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: 10 U. S. C. 1107 Alpha.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Correct. Um, you know, all of these countermeasures were emergency use authorized. The same law should have applied. Um, if I, if I'm guessing correctly, Lieutenant, uh, Bashaw's, um, court martialed, the only soldier court martialed in the United States military over refusing to participate in, um, uh, EUA countermeasures, which should have been optional and most either didn't [00:47:00] work or The efficacy of those countermeasures are very, very suspect at this point, three, four years later from an historical lens, the department of defense only court martialed one person.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: They avoided all judicial review for every other soldier in the United States armed forces. If the department of defense was so confident of the propriety And the inference of legality of their mandates, they would have court martialed a lot of people like they did with the anthrax vaccine. They didn't because they knew their mandates were patently illegal.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: For the only soldier punished, Lieutenant Bashoff, That court martial needs to be stricken from the records, whether it is our Honorable Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who makes that happen, or our Secretary of Defense, or a future Secretary of Defense, or President. That needs to happen. That would be the absolute correct first step.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: First [00:48:00] punishment corrected. By our government for their wrongdoing, not the troops.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where can we get your book? When is it coming out?

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Unyielding. org is my website. It's a tribute to my buddy. Uh, you can click on the book. It'll take you to the publisher website, uh, Skyhorse publishing. Very grateful to them.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Very grateful to children's health defense for providing the imprint and sponsorship. For the book, um, uh, you can just search on yielding and my name, Brimford, um, at, uh, Amazon or Barnes and Noble. Uh, but if you go to yielding. org, click on the book, takes you to the publisher's website, Skyhorse takes you to all the vendors to purchase the book.

ret COL Tom Rempfer: Um, be very, I'd be very grateful. For that, get the word out, get the history lesson out there for future generations. That's what it comes down to at this point. They've struck out twice. We don't want to give them the opportunity to make the same mistakes again. [00:49:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, so check out his book. Purchase it if you can.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Leave a review and tell your friends about it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, Sam. Thank you, Tom. God bless.

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