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Dr. Kirk Parsley: [00:00:00] They were coming to me and saying, Hey, you know, my motivation really sucks. My concentration's terrible. I sit in meetings, I can't focus for a second. My mood's all over the place. I'm short with my kid, grumpy at work, hard to get along with, get super emotional for no reason. Sex drive sucks. My body composition's shifting, like losing muscle.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I'm gaining fat, but I'm working with the nutrition. I'm working with a strength and conditioning coach. At that point in my career, I didn't know anything about sleep. I didn't have a single class on, on sleep in medical school, nor did any other doctor that I know of. Maybe now, but not by the time I went through training, I think I probably found out how they slept by asking about the meds they were on.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, it took me kind of a while to catch onto it, this little trend that seemed like everybody who came in my office complaining about all these symptoms, which I was calling the SEAL syndrome, since been studied more detailed by, you know, PhDs, and now it's called the operator syndrome.[00:01:00]

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well, thank you for joining me again. Today we have a very special guest and I'll introduce him in just a moment. But we have, I wanna thank all of our Patreon supporters. We have Shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at the $20 and 20 cents.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Amanda j Spets, nasty Dorell and Susan. I wanna thank everyone so much for contributing. It does mean the world to me. Now, this next guest I have, he is a doctor who's gone through his own difficulty while being active duty. He first started off as a Navy seal and he completed SEAL training in 19 years of age.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then he went into the Gulf War as a Navy seal. And then in 1994, he left the military to go get a college education. He reentered the military the Navy in particular to attend medical school at Bethesda. Where he became, he was commissioned as an officer in the Navy. In 2000, he began to practice medicine for the Navy Seals.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this is where he learned there's a difference between healthcare. And health. And this is kind of the, the difference between an MD and a do I would suppose is, is that our goal as physicians is to look for health, not just provide healthcare. He had his difficulties treating the special operators [00:03:00] with the medicine they needed to get them at peak performance.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Parsley has worked with thousands of elite performers and has had tremendous success optimizing physical, cognitive, and emotional performance. And he builds this on what we've talked about before at this podcast, sleep, nutrition, exercise, stress mitigation, and with a strong emphasis on sleep. Well, Dr.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Parsley, thank you so much for, for joining me today. As I understand you were having some difficulty when you were in, when you were active duty because you were doing things that were more de centric. And I think we had some, some glitches here and there. And I don't know if we recorded it yet, but I kind of found out that you trained under a DIO before you even started med school, and that kind of helped shape your philosophy, it seems.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yeah for sure. And, and also, you know, I, I mean, I guess I was about 25 when I started college and started working with all those guys. And so you know, my only exposure to doctors had been in the military, like, you know, for navy [00:04:00] physicals, whatever or for orthopedic injuries. So I really thought of medicine was as like a way to help people perform better and that that's kind of the, the way that I always thought about it.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I, I didn't really, I didn't really realize that it was so heavily focused on. Disease care and not even disease care. That's a stretch. You know, yeah. I, I, I don't know what else to call it, but you know, identifying disease and following protocols you know, something like that, which n never, never really entered my mind as the way things would be.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But yeah. You know, when I got to the SEAL teams, you know, these are, you know, by, by and large, you know, by, by society terms, young, young people, you know, whether they consider themselves young or not. Like, you know, a 32, 34 year old seal considers themselves old, old you know, not unlike a fighter or bull rider or something like that, you know, it's just, it [00:05:00] is just a rough, hard job that's better suited for young rubber people.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, when I got there the guys you know, well the, you know, the first thing you know to note is that they're a lot like professional athletes and that they don't, the worst thing that you can do for them is take them out of their job. So putting them on the bench, even for six weeks or in eight weeks is about the worst fate they can imagine.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So they usually don't tell their doctors anything. And you know, the advantage I had, of course, is that I'd been a seal and not only was I a seal, but I, I had, you know, gone through training and done deployments with seals that were, you know, still at the command. So people knew me. You know, I obviously.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: At least a decent reputation, and people trusted me enough to come and talk to me. And you never really know what your reputation is. You know the, but I, I feel like I, I had a pretty good reputation. So people came and talked to [00:06:00] me and they were telling me, you know, things that weren't diseases, right?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: They were coming to me and saying, Hey, you know, my motivation really sucks. My you know, my concentration's terrible. I sit in meetings, I can't focus for a second. You know my mood's all over the place. I'm short with my kids. I'm I'm grumpy at work. I'm hard to get along with. I get super emotional for no reason.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: My sex drive sucks. My body composition's shifting. Like, yeah, I'm losing muscle, I'm gaining fat, but I'm working with a nutritionist. I'm working with a strength and conditioning coach. And you know, at that, at that point in my career, I didn't know anything about sleep. I didn't I didn't have a single class on.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: On sleep in medical school, nor did any other doctor that I know of. Maybe now, but not by the time I went through training. And I don't even reme, I don't even really remember if if I asked them about sleep. I think I probably found out how they slept by asking about the meds they were on and you know, it took [00:07:00] me kind of a while to catch onto it, but I caught onto this little trend that it seemed like everybody who came in my office complaining about all these symptoms which I was calling the SEAL syndrome.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: It's since been studied more detailed by, you know, PhDs and written up into peer reviewed journals and now it's called the operator syndrome. But it was all, it's all the same findings. And so, you know, of course I didn't have any idea I I, when they, when they first started talking to me, I was thinking, well, you know, in previous war we had these things called shell shock, and we had combat fatigue.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And although these weren't really well described things, this was 2009. So we'd been, you know, we'd been at war for eight years and I thought, well, maybe this is that. And so I kind of started trying to look back towards that, but nothing reached the level of disease, right? So it wasn't like I could just say, oh, well that's this, and so here's the protocol I follow.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And [00:08:00] because I didn't know and, and, you know, I, I was completely honest with them and saying, I don't know. Like, I have no idea what's causing this, but you're not the first guy to tell me this. And in fact, their stories were so similar, you know, after the first 10 guys came in my office you know, the 300 guys who came in, I could have told them their stories and saved time. But I, you know, I always, I, of course I did, and I always went through and looked for unique things. And so originally I started thinking, well, maybe it's you know, maybe it's this thing, you know, this combat fatigue or shell shock or something and look back and see what the treatments, well, nobody really knew then either.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Nobody knew how to treat it then. But I started looking sort of towards non-traditional alternative methods and thinking, well, you know, maybe there's you know, some, maybe there's some sort of toxicity involved. I like, I don't know what, like what's, you know, what, what, what could I possibly look at?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I really just kind of came up with a lab panel that was anything I could possibly imagine might be affecting their performance. And I had 'em [00:09:00] run to the hospital and it was, you know, 98 different serum markers, you know, 17 vials of blood. Military wasn't a big fan of that. Apparently that was costing about $2,000 per person.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I got, you know, I got in a little trouble for that. You know, but what, what came back was by and large it was, you know, it wouldn't have had I sent it to an endocrinologist or pain specialist, by and large, it wouldn't have re it wouldn't have reached their threshold for disease. Right. But, you know, they're say, they're like, they're testosterone, they're bioavailable free testosterone, any kind, any mark you wanna look at there.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: That was all probably in the lowest 10% of the normal range. Right. And the normal range, of course, is a enormous from 250 to 1100. And we can go through the data, you know, like the normal range and the BS there, how, how they came up with that. But, you know, basically all of, everything anabolic, every kind of an anabolic marker you can think of those were all really low.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And sometimes they were clinically [00:10:00] low, but most of the times, I'd say they're the lowest 10 to 20% of the range. Everything catabolic or inflammatory looked really high. Their insulin sensitivity is what really threw me off. Because a lot of these guys I knew really well, and I knew that they were I, I knew how they ate and I knew how they worked out.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I knew how they lived their lives and, and they were doing everything right. And again, they weren't diabetic. They weren't pre-diabetic, but it, you know, it was much higher than you, you know, they're H B A one C, they're fasting insulin, they're fasting blood glucose a lot higher than you would expect for someone that's fit as them as they were.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So like I said, somewhere in the third, you know, first 30, 40 guys I don't know, it ki kind of a bell went off of my brain. I remember really clearly where I was when I was, I was sitting there. Taking down his history and he, and I was asking him about his meds and he said one of the things he was taking was Ambien.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I thought, [00:11:00] wow, it seems like a lot of guys say that. And so I, I made a note in the margin and then I came back later and looked at it looked through all of my patient files because, you know, another thing that they trusted me to do was not put any of this in their medical record if it was damaging, could be damaging to their career.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I kept shadow files and when I left, I just gave them all those shadow files and said, this is supposed to go on your medical record due with it, you know, as you please. You know, like I'm, I'm not the moral arbiter here. And so, you know, I went back through all those shadow files and found out pretty much every single guy who had been in my office.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Well, it was a hundred percent of the people who had come in my office to tell me the story. Were taking Ambien, so I thought, wow. Maybe there's something there. Like I don't, and, and I don't know, like it, it wasn't obvious to me that there was something there, but it just seemed like a hell of a coincidence.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And you know, the, the pharmaceutical game, you know, the F D A owns the research, or I'm sorry, the pharmaceutical industry [00:12:00] owns the research that they give the f d a, they cherry pick, they give the FDA what they want. They don't have to give the FDA a everything, they just give them the most salient data.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, but then if they ever get sued, then they have to cop up all the research. Right? And so they had been sued actually that year was either 2000, late 2008 or early 2009, they had gotten sued for dis dissociative properties of Ambien, which was basically. You know, people were taking Ambien, you know, their neocortex was completely dissociating from their mid-brain and brain stem, and they were just going out and doing animalistic behaviors, picking out prostitutes, gambling over, you know, gorging themselves on food.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, and they were so dissociated. They would go out for four hours, six hours, come home, get back in bed, wake up a couple hours later, and not remember anything. But maybe, you know, if they lived in Vegas, they might have gone down you know, to the [00:13:00] casino and gambled away their life savings or, you know, picked up a prostitute, got arrested for it.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: No recollection of this. Anyways, they were sued. When they, when they were sued, they had to cuff up all the data. Again, I didn't know enough about sleep to understand the data, but I started educating myself on, well, what happens when you sleep? You know, like, maybe, maybe this could be affecting some of their performance.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so you know, no big surprise. You know, I would say the average Cici, the average citizen now who engages in social media whatsoever, knows a hundred times more about sleep than I knew at that time. Nobody was talking about sleep. That wasn't, that just wasn't a topic that the, that the culture was talking about.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so, you know, once I learned about sleep and started learning about what happens during the sleep stages, I realize, well, you know, every single symptom these guys are complaining about could be caused by lack of sleep. I didn't, I, I didn't honestly think it would explain everything, but I thought, you know, this is [00:14:00] probably a big mover you know, in some, in like a simple example.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, 95, 90 8% of all the testosterone you make in a 24 hour period, you make during the first four hour four hours of sleep. Right? Cuz you're making it during your, you know, deep sleep, like what we call slow waste sleep cycles or deep sleep or stages, free and poor delta theta, like what? Whatever you know, whatever you wanna call that.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: The, the non REM sleep, that's when you, that's when all your hormones are being made and rebalanced and, you know, measured and, and rebalanced. And so I was like, well, maybe I can get their hormones up with that. Maybe if their hormones feel better, you know, if their, maybe if their anabolic hormones go up, they'll feel better than the perform better and blah, blah blah.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I started heading down that way. But before, like I think to your, the question we started with you know, I, I started. I started thinking, initially I was thinking, well, maybe this is adrenal fatigue or something. So I was giving you know, I was giving him supplements. I was giving him Myers cocktails.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I got in trouble for that because apparently giving Vitamin [00:15:00] IVs is beyond the scope of an md, so I wasn't allowed to do that. You know, I, I wasn't allowed to, I wasn't allowed to prescribe supplements. And I, I was like, well, I'm not prescribing 'em. I'm just telling him to go buy 'em such recommendation, but whatever got, you know, got in trouble for that.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And that, yeah, I was trying to use like adaptogens. And so anyway, I, I finally, you know, hit upon this. Sleep thing. And then when I read, when I knew enough about sleep, and then I read the research about what Ambien does to sleep and what alcohol does to sleep. And most of these guys were, you know, having a few drinks every night and taking, you know, usually overdosing on Ambien.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Just the mentality of a seal. You know, one's good, two's better, three's probably great. So, you know, they're taking way more than they should. They're usually having a two cocktails with this. And, you know, it turns out that rem, you know Ambien and, you know, any of the z drugs they, they destroy about 80% of REM sleep and about 20% of deep sleep alcohol destroys about [00:16:00] 80% of deep sleep and 20% of re rem sleep.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So when I sent these guys to get their sleep studies, They, every single one of 'em came back 99% stage two sleep. So, you know, according to a sleep study, they weren't getting any deep sleep or any rim sleep. So how they were surviving, I don't even know. But then I said, well, hey, you know, let's get 'em off of ambient and see what happened.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know? And so I, that's what I did and I gave 'em a little bit of daytime support stuff, but all, you know, all over, all over the counter supplement things that they could do to kind of, you know, inhibit aromatization of testosterone and you know, so I had 'em like on D H E A supplements and then zinc to prevent, or, you know, aromatization pregn alone to kind of give a cortisol pathway.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, and just, you know, basic, very basic stuff. And once they all got off of sleep drugs, which a hundred percent of 'em did You know, I, and, [00:17:00] and of course when they, when I had to get 'em off of sleep, I had to come up with a supplement stack to get them off of the sleep drugs. Cuz they couldn't just say, you know, can't just, like, they're taking ambient because they can't sleep.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I can't just say quit taking Ambien. So I, I came up with the stack and, you know, they helped me. They're very helpful cuz they're great, they're great patients. And they would come in and report to me every day and we kind of figured out the right dosage of the right supplements and, you know, we got, we got all of 'em.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, all of 'em got off of you know, the sleep drugs and, and you know, that, and the combination with the daytime support stuff. They were, you know, they were going from the lowest 10 percentile of the normal testosterone range to the top 10%. You know, I, I had a few guys who go super physiologic for reasons I don't understand.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I guess they were just outliers. Not hugely super physiologic, but, you know, maybe a hundred points out. And you know, that that led to me, you know, beating the sleep drum and trying to convince the leadership that sleep was a problem and [00:18:00] that it was affecting their performance. And then of course, you know, I, I learned more and more over the years and realized, well, yeah, that, that can be affecting their mood and their emotionality and their cognition and their memory and their problem solving skills and short-term memory working memory you know, all of that stuff.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And yeah, like like yourself, you know, I got my privilege is suspended and investigated many times. You know, I, I was told point blank to quit doing it to quit practicing outside of my scope and to just do sick call medicine. And I just nodded politely and said, yes, sir. And went and did what I was going to do.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So. You know, it, it is the only thing that made sense to me. I mean, give, if, if you given the option of satisfying the leadership or taking care of the guys that I'm in charge of taking care of, you know, my brothers, the community that saved my life, you know that's a no-brainer for me. So I just said, [00:19:00] well, I'm gonna keep doing it.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And if they I didn't think they'd throw me in jail, but I, you know, I thought they might figure out a way to throw me outta the military. But they, they didn't other than, you know, just sort of making to where I wasn't gonna advance anymore. You know, but I, I, I wouldn't have needed to, to stand.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But I and then I just figured after all that, rah, it would've you know, I could do a lot more for the guys outside than I could inside. And so I, you know, I got out at the end of. Term or at the end of that payback period from, from going to military's medical school. And I just got out and started my own practice and you know, started seeing these guys on the side.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, you know, ironically, a few years later, SOCOM hires me to come in and lecture all of their healthcare providers about all the stuff that I was doing, you know? Wow. And so yeah, that, that, that's the Reader's Digest version of, of that five years of my life.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:20:00] So what are some of the lab improvements that you s you saw with your patients back then?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just by getting 'em off the ambient, changing their sleep and giving some, you know, nutraceuticals and supplements.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yeah. I, well, I tell you every, everything normalized, like I, I can't think of anything. Now, I wouldn't say everything optimized, but everything normalized. You know, because the, the piece of the puzzle that I didn't figure out until probably two years before I got out was, was the traumatic brain injury.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. They're, they're so you know, they, they're, they've all and I can put myself in this category, like we've all received, you know, thousands, thousands of blast concussions, right? So it is different. It's, it's a, it's a different type of concussion. It causes a sheer force. So, you know, basically you can just picture a blast wave going through, going through the brain or going through the skull and through the brain.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Like any blast, like, I mean, it's [00:21:00] air compression, right? So everything that's a different density moves at a different rate. And so when that happens, everything shears, so the dura shears off the vessels, which shears off the white matter, which shears from the gray matter, which shears from the, you know, vesicular linings.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And you know, and so at, at every interface, you know, you can see beta amyloid plaques. Now we, like, we've seen all this in autopsies and all this now. So the TBI was a component because you know, traumatic brain injury not only causes inflammation to the brain and dysfunction of, you know, what we think of as cognitive issues, but, you know, your, your brain is the regulator of all your hormones, right?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: It is it's really, I mean, it's, it's the conductor of the whole show, right? So it's affecting everyth. And so you know, I saw I, but, you know, I saw drastic improvements in everybody. I just didn't probably get to optimal with everyone. But, you know I, you know, higher, higher to, you know, higher, higher total testosterone, higher free testosterone.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I was[00:22:00] you know, I, at that point in my career, I think I had an, I think I was having a really hard time figuring out how to lower sex hormone unbinding globulin. That that doesn't correct automatically, you know, that's something that takes that takes time. But, you know, lowering their estradiol and they, they had the estradiol levels of 30 year old women almost.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I mean you know, they had which raises section one binding globulin, which, you know, reduces the free percentage of testosterone. Their IGF one s would be, You know, a hundred, 110, and they're, you know, 32 years old, they, you know, it should be closer to 300. Their inflammation, you know, so inflammatory markers, oxidative markers those, you know, those came crashing down.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Those would reduce 80, 90%. The, you know, insulin sensitivity, like their fasting insulin would drop by you know, probably threefold. You know, so they, they, like I said, they weren't diabetic, but they're, you know, they were kind of, they were kind of heading up towards that number, you know, [00:23:00] like where, where you're starting to get concerned about insulin sensitivity.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, you know, bringing 'em all, you know, bringing them all back down to what you would expect from a young athletic person, you know, something in the two to five range, two to four range. You know, their HB H B A one H B A one Cs were coming down from 5.8 to 4.8. You know which fit for them, you know, for the diets they were eating and the type of performance they were doing.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So, you know, ev everything really aligned. They were all magnesium deficient. They're all vitamin D three deficient. So, you know, we did that. You know, I think that's, you know, some separate supplementation, but we did that as well. You know, and I had you know, I had some you know, like the ceo, one of the SEAL teams was my patient.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I had a lot of the leadership could, because they were, they were the older guys. They had been struggling with it longer. And by older, I mean they were 40 or or older, right. And but I, you know, I had 42, 43 year old you know, commanders and captains that were [00:24:00] not only you know, they weren't just pring for their.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: For their recent elder years, they're pr pring for their life. You know, like they were the fastest, you know, the fastest three mile run they've ever done in their life. The fastest you know, the, the, whatever the, the highest squat, the power cleans. What, what CrossFit times, whatever it was they were into, you know, they were getting, you know, they were, you know, after a year of treatment or so, they were getting the, the best performance they'd ever had in their lives.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And then, of course, one of the, one of the fastest markers you see or one of the things that comes out so obvious which we validated on the rehab side, is that we, you know, we cut rehab time down by, you know you know, cut it in half roughly, you know, at at least yeah, at at least 30 or 40% faster.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But the vast majority of re rehab time was cut in.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's amazing. I mean, it seems like you were making amazing leaps forward and, you know, this is how medicine seems to be. This is what I've noticed is they don't, [00:25:00] well, science in general is they don't like the new thing until, until it's been around long enough, then you don't wanna be the last one on, and that's why they probably Right.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hired you to come back and teach what you had already been doing.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right, right. Well, and now it's now I think it's, you know, a lot of it's caught on. In fact, I remember, I, I just so happened on a, on a flight to be sitting next to a, an, an MD PhD professor who I mean, she was at a big school one of the Ivy League institutions one, or at least one of the, the elite upper, you know, blue chip ones.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And And she taught medical ethics. And and I told her kind of about some of the trouble that I'd been in. And the one thing that she harped on was, you know, the one thing that she really focused on after, after all I told her, the, the thing that stood out to her was that I was giving [00:26:00] guys Arimidex to, you know, to lower their estradiol levels, lower their sexal on binding globulin to increase their free percentage of testosterone.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. And she said, you know, you really don't wanna be the first doctor giving any medication for the, for any, you know, any cause, you know, for a novel cause or a novel, you know, using a medication in a novel fashion. And I was like, well, Somebody has to be the first one, or it never happens. Right.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know? And she's like, well, I'm just telling you from like a medical legal standpoint, you're really putting yourself at risk with that one. And I was like, all right. And now, yeah, now that's common knowledge. Like, you know, everybody like strip mall doctors who do, you know, weekend hormone COR courses and you know, whatever, open up little low T clinics or whatever they call 'em, you know, like, you know, those guys are doing it, like everybody knows it now.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Same thing with sleep. It's like[00:27:00] when I, I, and I'm not exaggerating, and this, it literally happened to me where I got laughed out of the office of the leadership when I was telling him that lack of sleep was lowering our guys's testosterone and growth hormone levels. And they just thought that was the most ridiculous thing they'd ever heard of in their life.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And that I needed to go back to medical school. And I was like, all right, well and then of course, You know, it, it caught on. And now, you know, now, now the average, the average person who listens to a few Health, health and wellness podcast is, knows all that stuff. That, and, and, you know, and the benefit that I did have, you know, there, there were, there were doctors out there in the world who knew this stuff.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And because I, you know, because I was a doctor for the West Coast Seals and they had, you know, they had a pretty big media presence and sort of a quasi celebrity status. I could call up people and, you know, after I could read someone's book or hear 'em lecture or, you know, watch their TED Talk or something, and I could just call 'em and say, Hey, I'm Kirk Parsley.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I'm the, I'm the [00:28:00] doctor for the West Coast Seal teams. You know, I have found what you said really interesting, intriguing. I, I was wondering if I could consult with, consult with you with my clients or maybe come train with you or whatever. And every single person that I had contacted every single one of 'em were falling over themselves to be helpful.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: They all like, so I, I, I get to learn from some really top tier people really early. And, and I got to learn a lot. And so it, it kind of, you know, launched my, my knowledge level. Something that probably would've taken me 10 years I learned in a couple of years.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think that's one thing that's really important to understand for the listener and the viewer, is that you don't have to go to a specific accredited course to, to learn good information.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You can learn it from podcasts, you can learn it from hearing it from a podcast and then go studying with that guy that did that lecture and learning straight from the source. And you can learn so much faster than having you know, these.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And in fact, that's

Dr. Kirk Parsley: yeah, I, I was gonna say in fact that that's [00:29:00] the best way to do it, you know, because when, when you look at things like, you know what they started with you know, they started with cam complimentary and alternative medicine, and then there were alternative medicine pathways, and then there's integrative, and then there's functional and integrative.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But, you know, you, you look at any of these institutions that are teaching functional and integrative medicine, They're teaching it in the same didactic way that we learned medical school. And they're teaching protocols and they're teaching, you know, they're, they're, they're, you know, they're just doing the same damn thing that the medical establishment is doing.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But instead of enriching pharmaceuticals, they're enriching half a dozen doctors that are writing the curriculum and that, and that, you know, that's not the right way either, because everything changes all of the time. And you need to say, Hey, within my patient population, what I keep seeing, what's really bothering me that I don't know how to fix is this.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I'm gonna go learn everything I need to know about that and to where I can, I can work with that. And then I'm gonna do that with something else. I'm gonna do [00:30:00] that with something else. I'm gonna do that with something else. And you, and you have to, you know, you, granted, you have to have your life set up for that.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And if you're working within the big medicine machine, you don't, that's not an option for you. Right? I mean, because you, I mean, whe whether you're working in a hospital or running your own practice, I mean, you're, you're grind, you know, you're using 100% of your energy to do what you're responsible to do.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And then, you know, God forbid you're naive enough to have a family or something like that, or want to have a hobby, you know, there's no time. Like you, you just simply can't do that. You know, people, people bash doctors a lot and, and some of it's well deserved, don't get me wrong. But, you know, people bash doctors a lot for not keeping up on the research.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I'm like, do you know how much research is coming out? I mean, do you, do you understand that? Like you, if it, if you, if you did nothing but read all day if you got up in the morning and you read studies for 12 hours a day, 365 days a year, you would get through about two or 3% of what's published every year.[00:31:00]

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you know that that's not a solution either. You can't just you can't. Read generally, right? You have, you, you have to really just go down the rabbit hole and you have to have the skills to you know, I, I don't, I don't really think I was taught that well in medical school. I think, I think those are skills I learned later.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, and by and large, I'll give a lot of credit to Peter Atia because I'm, I'm, you know, I, I became friends with him you know, probably just about a year or two after getting outta the Navy. And you know, and, and he and I worked together on a lot of stuff. And he, and he really, I think he really taught me how to evaluate research a lot faster, you know, so that I can just throw away silly stuff.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, and, you know, dig in what's what on, what's important. But, you know, the system just isn't, the system just isn't well set up or, you know, what, what we actually need doctors to do. It's not, it's not realistic for them to keep up with it. And these continuing medical education courses, again, [00:32:00] Yeah, that and, and at some level or another and, and it, it would take, it'd take an hour to defend the statement.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But this is something I've thought through and researched through and talked to a lot of really smart people about yeah, the medical education, whether it's continuing medical ed, continuing medal, i continuing me medical education or just medical school itself or nurse practitioners or whatever.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I mean, you like western healthcare, that that information by and by and large is, is from pharma, right? I mean that, that research is funded by pharma at the end of the day and they're, and they're hiring people that are looking into the things they want them to look into. And frankly have a An incentive structure to come up with a conclusion what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to come up with, you know?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, and I'm not, and I'm not accusing people of malevolent or malicious behavior. I'm, I'm just saying that it, it's, it's human nature to gravitate towards what's rewarding to you. And I think, [00:33:00] I think there's a, a lot of that going on. And so the only way to do it is to educate yourself. And fortunately you know, because of my background and when I started doing all of this, I it was early in the game and, you know, there were, there weren't that many health podcasts out there, and there weren't that many health influencers out there.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, you know, I became friends with a lot of 'em and got on, you know, podcast early and got on a lot of stages early and all that stuff. And with, with that advent of all that, it's allowed me to do private consulting and my private consulting. I can spend a. I can spend 15 hours figuring out one lab value on one on one of my clients that I don't understand if I want to.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. And, and I can spend two hours interviewing my, you know, my clients on their initial intakes and, you know and so it's, you know, my life is set up to be able to do that, but I'm, I'm still, my knowledge is still limited by what I see clinically. Right. I mean you know, there's all sorts of stuff that I don't [00:34:00] see clinically that I know nothing about, that the general practitioner probably knows a lot more than I do.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: About,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: have you been treating patients that are Vaxxed injured?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yes. Yeah. Quite a, quite a few. Unfortunately my mother's one of 'em yeah, my, my mother had a stroke after the vaccine. Fortunately, you know it wasn't, it wasn't a huge stroke. It was moderate in size. But I knew what to do to treat her. And we literally, you know, left the same day she got discharged from the hospital.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: We drove straight to a Hyperbarics facility and we started her hyperbarics. And, you know, I, I've started her on sort of all the neurological enhancing peptides and, you know, we, we've, we've done all of the treatments very well, and, you know, she has nearly she, she doesn't have any sequela that you [00:35:00] or I would pick up on, but she has, you know, she has nearly nearly no, no leftover residual symptoms from it.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But yeah, I, I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of it. And and we're gonna say a lot more, you know, I, I heard The, the one podcast I'll always listen to is anybody smart talking about the vaccine. Because that, it, that I, I don't think people will appreciate how, how complex that issue is.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I mean, I I for one thing, I mean, let's be honest, like the human, the human is the most complex thing we, we know of, right? And, and, and we are that, and we have the ability to study ourselves, but we're the most complex thing we, we can imagine. And the body doesn't have SY systems, right? Like it we break it into systems as a way to learn it, but everything.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Everything's working simultaneously and everything impacts everything else. So everything is a part of everything else. So there are, there are no, there are no systems. But if you [00:36:00] want to call it systems, you know, then it's one complex system overlaid by another, overlaid by another, overlaid by another, overlaid by another, living within this environment, which is complex system after complex system after complex system.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And there, there's, you know, there there's no way that any, any one person can really know anything, you know, and collectively we probably understand about 1%, 2% of, of human biology and physiology. But we, we act like we know a lot more cuz we use big words and you know, published papers on 'em, whatever.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, there One thing I just heard Peter McCull say, and, and, well, and I, and I'd heard it earlier on Brett Weinstein's podcast, the Dark Horse. He, he was talking about how, you know, the mRNA isn't even actually rna because instead of Where uridine would be, they'd put a UIL there to make it more stable.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But we don't have an enzyme to break that down so the mRNA doesn't break down. And any mRNA that [00:37:00] stays in the cell long enough forms a plasmid, and the plasmid can be incorporated into the genome. And so, I mean, that's all pur the whole purpose of a plasmid. Then the plasmid can go, can get in the nucleus and actually become part of your dna n a.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And if that happens, well then you have a sequence of your dna N that's going, if expressed, epigenetically expressed, then it's going to produce spike protein for the rest of your life. And the spike protein itself is toxic, so why they chose that one can only guess, but seems like a very stupid idea.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so Yeah, that, that spike protein is, is toxic. And if you're producing it forever you know, even if it's intermittent to leave forever like who knows what it's gonna do? I mean, it's, it's definitely gonna attach to vascular endothelium. It's gonna attach to all solid organs. So you're gonna have liver problems and kidney problems and heart problems and immune problems because it's in your spleen and, you know, intravascular problems.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Anywhere where it's, you know, binding [00:38:00] to intravascularly to say like, you know, a capillary well that's gonna block a red blood cell. And you know, red blood cells obviously go single file through capillary, so there's a spike protein bound in there that's not getting through there. So now you're cutting off blood supply to what.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Anything. Right? And well, if it happens in the brain, we call it a stroke, and if it happens in the heart, then it's a heart attack. But what about when it's happening in your bones or your muscles or your liver, your spleen, or your kidneys or your lungs, or, you know, whatever. I mean, it's still causing damage.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I don't think, I don't think we've I I don't think we're in anywhere close to understanding the magnitude of, of what's likely to come from this vaccine. And we, and we do know that the more vaccines you get, the more likely this scenario is. I've heard, I've heard some postulate, sort of speculations that you know what, what really saved a lot of people was the [00:39:00] instability of the vaccine.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so, You know, when they're, when they're like having vaccines done at a stadium or, you know, to drive through or, or something, those vaccines are probably getting so warm that they degraded. And if they degraded then, you know, you didn't get nearly the same mRNA load, or maybe you got no r no MRR mRNA load.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, with every successive vaccine booster you get, like, you're more likely to get the full dose right. As people get better at preserving it and all that. So, so I, I mean, I, I don't, I don't even want to know where it's gonna go, but I guess, you know, we're gonna see well, we'll, I'll see what I see in my lifetime, but yeah, they're vaccinating children now who will be alive after I'm dead hopefully.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And you know, who knows can it be passed on genetically if it, you know, if it gets embedded into your dna, N a, I probably. I mean, I don't know.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And one thing you said about the [00:40:00] degradation of this mRNA over time, which I think you're right, absolutely right, that it probably saved a lot of people from damaging substances being injected to them.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But even SI RNA or small interfering RNA is a thing in the body. And what it's designed to do is when a gene is expressed and it gets sent out of the nucleus, and little bits get clipped off, those little bits that get clipped off, go back into the nucleus and say, quit expressing this gene because we have enough of it available.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that was never brought up in public. No one ever said, oh yeah, your RNA can, you know, epigenic epigenetically affect your genes and how they're expressed.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right, right. And is it, you know, and it is. Well, for anyone who doesn't know, The epigenetics that, I mean, that's far more important than the genetics, right?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, like every, every cell in your body has the same genetics, but they're not all the same type of cell, right? The reason, the reason a liver cell is different than a kidney cell is different than a heart cell [00:41:00] is because of epigenetic expression, right? The, all the same DNAs in there, it's just like what's being expressed in that cell.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you start changing that, you start changing yourself at a cellular level. And that's not likely to manifest itself until it's really like a really big deal, right? You've, you've completely changed the function of, of a tissue perhaps,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and there's so many people that are not reporting their injuries, and I'm not exactly sure why.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yesterday I spoke to retired Marine General and he, he was unwilling to come on my podcast at this time. I pray that at some point he'll share his story but he left because of his injury. And it's, you know, he was a warrior and he's not happy with, with what happened to him. He's very, he was very upset with what happened to him.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I'm hoping that he'll come on here to help encourage those that refuse to give it to give them strength. And I hope that he comes on to also encourage those that have been injured to speak out about their [00:42:00] injuries so that we get justice here on this earth.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yeah, I mean, unfortunately I mean, I, I'd say I, I, I probably get a call, at least one call a week probably closer to two calls a week from some military member. And, and this is all word of mouth, of course, I don't, I don't advertise myself, but it's just, you know, through some sort of mutual associate between us.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I get calls weekly from young guys who have these strange obscure findings that nobody can solve, but is preventing them from finishing whatever training they're in, like, you know, so I get a lot from, unfortunately, I get a lot from pilots. And you know, I've, I've had it as bad as, as one one pilot I've working with, [00:43:00] I, I wanna say he's like 25 ish completely young, healthy guy.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And he was, Four, four flights away from being qualified and, and fighter jets, which is obviously like the most competitive thing. So you know, they gave him like a medical respite and as long as it was less than six 60 days, he didn't have to

Dr. Kirk Parsley: go through a med board. And then when I told him what it, what he needed to do to improve his symptoms,

Dr. Kirk Parsley: He said, well, you know, I don't think my flight docs are gonna sign off on that.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I said, I, I think you're probably right. You know, so yeah, you can, yeah, you handled that however you want to. And you know, he, he, he went and talked to his flight docs and they said no, that he couldn't do that. Ironically the thing they were the most concerned about was him being in Hyperbarics.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And Hyperbarics is definitely one of the most powerful treatments. And I'm like, okay, well, he kind of does hyperbarics every [00:44:00] day really? He does hyperbarics hypo to back down to ground is, you know, he re so he is like, he's doing hypo and then coming back down to ground was just hyper. So like you know, he, he's compressing from where he was from his hypo state down to ground, state, whatever.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So ironically that was the thing they were the most concerned about. But you know, he, he didn't you know, he, he said he was gonna stick with their advice and then I don't know, maybe two or three weeks later he was hospitalized. They thought maybe he had a stroke and he didn't, he didn't have his stroke, you know, he didn't have a stroke by any clinical findings, but he doesn't, he can't get himself out of this milu, you know?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I just said, yeah, I like, I like, I I wish you luck and I, I wish you well. But you know, it, it's not. You know, it's not my place to tell this guy he needs to work with, you know, violate his own integrity and work throughout, you know, work around the system. And honestly, [00:45:00] I don't know that I would do that if I were him either.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I would just say, Hey, I'm going to do this maybe, and like, if you kick me out, you kick me out. But, you know, my long-term health is more important than my wings, you know? I, I think is how I would approach it, but you know, but I, you know, he's young and so he doesn't, he probably doesn't think that his long-term health is going to be a problem.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: This is just a little glitch and he wants to get his wings and so he is doing whatever he can. But I, I would imagine at this point he's probably in front of a med board and he is probably not gonna be able to, you know, do it. And yeah. And, and I bring that one up just because I You know, that that one was just really kind of heartbreaking for me, you know, because he's, he's so young and such a high achiever, and when we first started working together, we had a real, like a real shot when he first called me.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Had a, you know, a real shot of kind of getting rid of all of those symptoms. Now, how long those symptoms, you know, stay away? I don't know the [00:46:00] answer to that yet, but I have seen a I mean, just night and day difference in people in its little, as, you know, two weeks of treatment. And you, and, and you know, I, I don't treat anybody just for two weeks, but, you know, I have people who I, who I, you know, I had another guy who's a, he's a stunt man and an actor, and.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Former UFC fighter and just, I mean, just an all around amazing dude. And he's about my age. And he had a, he had a stroke from the vaccine as well. And you know, I, you know, I, I treated him and got, you know, we got through a hundred percent of his symptoms and, you know he, he probably hasn't done any treatment now for six or eight months or something.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And he is still fine. He's but I don't know, like maybe, you know, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 months from now, he, you know, some of the symptoms are gonna start coming back. I, I mean, I don't, I don't know at this point how long the treatment takes. But you know, [00:47:00] as we were talking about earlier, if it gets incorporated into the DNA N and it gets re-express, one can only assume it's gonna be either the same result or, you know, whatever, some kind of other result, depending on where it gets written.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Repressed then there's a lot of evidence that it consolidates you know, any, anything that has a ton of capillaries in it or capillary like passages. So think of like, you know, the kidney and the testicles and ovaries and the liver and the, and the spleen and like those types of solid organs that have a ton of blood flow and tons of passages because they're, you know, they're working on one red blood cell at a time, essentially.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. You know, all of those are, are likely targets. Right. And then the brain just doesn't take any kind of insult. Well you know, very, takes a very small insult to have a, a really big neurological deficit that could last the rest of your life. So, [00:48:00] like, you know, are, are the, are the people who had strokes, is that, is that their only risk?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Or, you know, do we have to, you know, two years from now, are we gonna see something? Much more common in people I like, I don't know, like, you know my guess would be that you know, depending on, you know, if the plasma does incorporate into your dna you know, does it incorporate into an area of DNA that's highly expressed in that cell, right?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you know, and, and then that, that would determine, right? Because if your epigenetics are such that, well, that area you incorporated into a liver cell, say but you know, the region that where it incorporated doesn't ever get expressed for liver cells, well then you're probably not gonna have liver problems.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But like, I, I don't know the answer to that. Right. I don't know if there's, if there's a routine place where it's, where it's being embedded or if it's random or something. I, I don't, I don't know enough about genetics to know that, but I, [00:49:00] I do know that. This is not even close to being done. Like we're, we're nowhere.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: We're, we're nowhere near the finish line on this. This is, this is, this is the beginning. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And w with this being the beginning and if people are, are looking for good, good doctors that have a good head on their shoulders, or are you accepting patients and is there a place where people can get ahold of you if you are accepting patients?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: I, I'm not, I I'm not accepting patients. I do, yeah, I do one-off consults for, you know, for military folks or like anyone in the civil, like any special forces guys, of course. I see. I, I, I do have private clients, but that's I don't, that's not a, like a dis that's not, that's not like a disease model.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: It's a. It's a, it's a health and wellness model, so it's really a li, it's a lifestyle modification course that, you know, is a [00:50:00] year, it's a one, it's a one year annual fee. It, it's prohibitively expensive for most people because I take very few clients so that I can spend a lot of, you know, I can spend as much time as I need.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But if people you know, want to go to my website and ask ask for questions, I or, or, or ask for help if you can gimme the region of, you know, if you can tell me where you live or you know, the areas that you're, you'd be available to seek treatment. I have a, a decent network within America, A few outside the country, but primarily within America.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, and I'm happy to try to align you with people who, who. Do the types of things that I do. And I am, I am working with several people. We're gonna, we're trying to sort of figure out a way to do you know, some, some sort of registry that people could go to and just like look up physicians who think in this way.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And there is [00:51:00] that frontline doctor's thing, the f l CCC or whatever. I, they, and they, they, they focus, they, they focus, they focus on a lot on this vaccine. I, I don't know exactly what their physicians are doing. I haven't, I haven't followed up on that aspect of them. I use their protocols to treat covid.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But I haven't, I haven't looked into their sort of long covid or vaccine injury. Protocols yet, but that, that would be another place. I mean, there, there's, there's, I think, 50,000 doctors involved in that. So you can, you can probably find somebody close to you who has some good ideas. But I, I can tell you that yeah, the, the most, the most efficacious things that I've seen is you know, combination of, of peptides and, and peptides are limited to clinical research.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So when I'm using with my patients, I'm technically doing research but pep peptides, hyperbarics and then full, full spectrum [00:52:00] saunas, you know, some combination of that is what I've, I've seen the best, the best effects with. And then targeting, of course, whatever your specific problem is, but. You know, one of, one of my good friends PhD in, in Tampa owns a hyperbaric facility.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, he had a he had a vaccine injured woman who couldn't talk hadn't, hadn't been able to say a word since she had had the vaccine. And it had been, I don't know, four, six months or something. And after 10 hyperbaric treatments she was 100% better. You know, she could, you know, in fact, they wanted her to quit talking.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: That was the big joke. They were like, Jesus. Once we got her, once we got her talking, I was like, man maybe we should have only given you eight treatment. But yeah. But yeah, I, I think, I think she stayed in treatment for a a full eight week treatment. But again, you know, the You know, it's another problem with Western, you know, with Amer, the American Medical SY [00:53:00] system, you know, you know, one of, like my, my residency in the Navy was in was in Hyperbarics, right?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So that, that's part, that's part of the dive medicine residency for the military. And we have 13 approved uses for hyperbarics. So if it's not one of those 13 uses you have to pay cash. But if a Hyperbarics facility does insurance based work, then they can't do cash work. So anything associated with the hospital is doing insurance work.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you have to have one of these 13 things, and if you don't fit in there, you can't use that. So I have, I have a ton of clients who. Or nowhere near a hyperbaric chamber. And if they have the means and the time they move temporarily, you know, they go stay somewhere for two months and do some treatment.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I am, and I'm, I'm kind of working with some investors and stuff. I'm trying to create some mobile, you know, mobile facilities, you know, put a chamber in an air conditions trailer and like, you know, cuz a lot of these chambers you can learn to use [00:54:00] yourself. You know, as long as you're a fairly healthy person you can, you can get in there and operate it from the inside and treat yourself.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, if there anybody listening to your podcast is interested in, in a business model hyperbaric facilities are, are going to be you know, they, they haven't let out a ton of the research yet. It hasn't hit mainstream media. But I'm, I'm well steeped in that community and unquestionably it, it's going to eventually come out that this is the best.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, you know, in combination. But if, honestly, if you could only do one thing, I would say, I would say do Hyperbarics. But, you know, hopefully you'll, you know, there'll be facilities that are doing adjuncts to that Hyperbarics. But I think that's probably going to be the number one thing that people are gonna be using for you know, for these long covid and covid vaccines.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, and not that you can distinguish those two anymore, right? Because so many people got vaccinated and [00:55:00] then got covid. Okay, so what is it? Is it the vaccine or is, or was it damaged from the covid or was it damaged from the vaccine? Like we're, we're never gonna know. But it does seem to. You know, the, the, the benefit of Hyperbarics is that you can get oxygen to places where you don't have blood supply, right?

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Cuz the only way to carry oxygen in your bloodstream is by being bound to the hemoglobin and red blood cells. Unless you do a hundred percent oxygen and you take it down to deeper than one atmosphere, you get under two atmospheres, and then you can crush air bubbles, like oxygen bubbles into the plasma, and that can just diffuse out anywhere, and it can go all over your body and over the course of time it does, it saturates all of your tissue with oxygen.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And then that of course, you know, that's of course what your mitochondria need. You know, it's part of oxidative hospitalization. Like they, like, you know they mitochondria need that to produce their energy, which is your cells and energy, which is, you know, [00:56:00] your, your cell's ability to do their work and repair themselves.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I, I think Hyperbarics is just going to be an enormous opportunity. And I know a guy here in Austin who owns the biggest facility that produces hyperbaric chambers. He owns the biggest one in the country. And, you know, they, they're already having a hard time keeping them with demand.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I, you know, the word's slowly getting out, but that's, that's gonna be a really big treatment. And if, and I would encourage anybody who, who's listening to this, who has problems that they suspect are from the vaccine, or from, or from long covid, whatever that is, to, to seek that out. And those soft chambers that you see at the strip malls there's no evidence that those work they, they don't go deep enough and they're not a hundred percent oxygen.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: So it, it's not, you're not comparing apples to apples there.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Parsley, thank you so much. I wanna be respectful of your time. I know you've, you've got some deadlines coming up. That is great [00:57:00] information, and perhaps some, sometime in the future you can come back on. This was very good and I hope people are able to if there's any special operators out there, they can reach out to you and, and if not, get help from you.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Find where to get that help. Thank you so much.

Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yep. Yeah, you, you're welcome. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to B blabber.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. God bless.

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