87. Dr. Aaron Williams
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Dr. Aaron Williams: [00:00:00] It's, it's almost hard for people to believe that something. So what sounds kind of simple, also sounds spacey could work so well. I mean, it's krypton like, you know, like Superman, what have you, but it really does work this well, and it's not coming outta somebody's garage. I don't sell it. I make no money on it.

Dr. Aaron Williams: In fact, I've lost, we'll just say a lot because I, you know, I, I resigned from my position over a year ago with this. The main purpose of it, to get word out there about this light.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's been great. You may be able to find me on Roku sometime soon and there'll be more details about that. But first I wanna introduce my guest. So, Dr. Aaron Williams is an anesthesiologist and just like me and many others in this field, we've been looking at different ways to stop this pandemic pandemic I'm supposed to say.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Oops. And he's been looking into different technologies that we haven't really looked into too [00:02:00] much. So do you mind if I call you Aaron?

Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely, please. I'm not a very formal person unless I have to be so wonderful. Perfect.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So Aaron, tell us about what you've been discovering about UV technology and how it can help clean the air.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Yeah, so this is kind of a technology that's been around for a really long time, at least in its earlier form. So some listeners might be familiar with having one in their HVAC system, for instance, or for people in the medical field around the operating room specifically for UV robots that will run in those ORs in between the surgical cases.

Dr. Aaron Williams: That'll help disinfect the area even better at times than some of the wipes and things well. And so there's those people who might work in food processing plants or maybe in a water processing plant as well. UV disinfection has been used in those since roughly around 1906. So we've had a lot of different UV used, but the the reason why those are in your HVAC system and not in.

Dr. Aaron Williams: In other places in public spaces to clean the air in real time is [00:03:00] because they will give you some high irritation sunburn and possibly skin cancer eventually. So obviously you can't bathe people in that sort of life. But, you know, when I was doing a leadership role within our health system and, you know, we ended up having a lot of extra free time because we canceled so many surgeries.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I wouldn't call it free time. I was in administration. But I was looking for, you know, some sort of UV light. I said, well, maybe I can get one of those like we have in the operating rooms off Amazon or what have you, and we can use it on our office to clean things, to maybe do our masks, our N 95 s and we'll have you.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And while I was looking for that, I found this thing a new UVC called Bar Uvc. That was roughly April of 2020. And since then has been a continuous journey and discovery and it's only gotten better and more ready to go since that time.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Awesome. So if you want me to show some, some of the slides that you're showing, just say, you know, the slide number when you start talking.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Okay. That way I can [00:04:00] probably stick, line it up afterwards. Yeah, sure. And you know, it, the thing with it is that, and the long story short, is that I think a lot of the people still in the community, and probably even within the community to a small degree anyway who were looking for alternative ways to, to treat this, are still thinking a lot about surfaces.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And one of the things that was a revelation to me over this last year, Was that even the mainstream public health experts the Deans of Schools of Public Health, former heads of osha, including the longest running head of OSHA under Obama for roughly eight, nine years, Dr. David Michaels and multiple others, epidemiologists, et cetera, were writing letters to the CDC and the World Health Organization as early as I believe, June of 2020 saying, quit with the focus.

Dr. Aaron Williams: On surfaces and on droplets. We know that the vast majority of this is in aerosols, like it has been other things, and that totally changes our approach. So instead of wiping everything down [00:05:00] using chemicals and, you know, hands and, you know, getting people not to touch each other, all these different things, which there's a little cross over there, but that said, the vast majority of the spread.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Is occurring in the air, in indoor public spaces, and that's what they stress to them. And even last April, there was some ocean meetings. These same people, the first time they had that letter in June of 2020, there was roughly 230 signatories very prominent from the mainstream community, blasting them.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And then again, in very strong language. And you know how our language gets in our medical stuff, we're very proper, you know? Right. Very professional. They were blasting them in this, you know, publication in 2020 and again in April, 2022. And they showed up to present at these OSHA hearings as well. To say the same thing.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Why do we not focus on where the real problem is, which is the virus floating around in the air? And so that's what this, this. This light does is kills it in the air before and also does surfaces as well, whatever it [00:06:00] shines on before people ever breathe them in. So it's no wonder that it's working amazingly in the many installations it's already had and it would only work that way anywhere we put them.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what kinda results are you seeing Where, where it's been put in place?

Dr. Aaron Williams: So it's been put in place quite a few places in the summer of 2020. Okay. It was a little early maybe to go all in at that point, but yeah, it was put in a us air Force base air Force Reserve space. It was put in also in the US Army headquarters of the Pentagon.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Well, that's interesting. Yes, they helped to do a little bit and, and nobody's hiding it. I know that'll be a question from listeners and, and what have you here shortly. It's not really conspiracy at all. And then that may apply to other, you know, other elements you know, within this pandemic conversation.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But that said, it's really more that people don't know about this one, and some of these people have really even tried to get this out there. You know, even comments from. The military saying, you know, Hey, we need to distribute this and put this other places. [00:07:00] This is something for military readiness.

Dr. Aaron Williams: This is something for bioterrorism prevention. You know, there were articles in 2003 joint from the, the docs. There's only two docs roughly who study this, like physician doctors that is one's at Harvard and one's at University of Maryland. But the one at Harvard had co-authored a paper, I believe in 2003 with some of the military likely physicians, but I didn't check about using even the old kind, shining it across the top of a room for preparedness and for bioterrorism prevention, because that actually worked quite well.

Dr. Aaron Williams: That should have been done early upfront. But now this far surpasses it because it can clean the air, not just, you know, floating over, wafting over you at the top of the room. But it can also do it in real time while you're having a literal conversation back and forth with someone at a table, for instance.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So when you know we've got quotes out of the military, out of the US Army headquarters of the Pentagon, we have not had a single person to person transmission since we've installed these lights. And they had all five [00:08:00] variants showed up. You know, someone came back from leave and then popped their fever on a Tuesday night.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And of course the 50 to a hundred people or however many were in those, those spaces with them indoor spaces, not outdoor. That's not where we're spreading it, right? We hopefully all know that by now for the most part. But they, you know, said every single time we've tested, tested, never has anyone else turned up sick.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And that's just one example. And so how does this work? So what it does is, you know, it's just a different form of energy. And so when most people, and, and I also, you know, as physicians, we're not really trained in physics much at all. Maybe you were, but I. I don't recall hearing that and I didn't have much training in that.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But with it, when you talk about light, there's all different, you know, wavelengths which connotate different powers and different ability to penetrate things. And so UVC is not something that actually gets through the ozone from the sun. You get UVA and UVB causing different amounts [00:09:00] of skin cancer versus tanning versus vitamin D production and that sort of thing.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And versus potentially skin cancer at some point. That said uvc, they're producing now by taking a gas. Like Mercury was the old kind and they put it in a little tube or what have you, or a bulb, and then they electrify it. And when they shake that up, then it spits out, you know, a certain wave form of light.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so whether that's purple or green or you know, your household lights putting out different parts of the spectrum, they show up different. You know, yellow versus white. Brighter white, this sort of thing. So what this does though, it's conferring energy. So just like the energy that goes into your skin to make you feel warmer or just like the energy that goes in and then can change the DNA and give you the sunburn and, and all that kind of things, and fla, inflammation, et cetera.

Dr. Aaron Williams: What this does is this does the same sort of thing, but it doesn't penetrate nearly as far as UVA and uvb. And so even with the other, the older mercury. It didn't penetrate very far, but it can give you a skin, you know, [00:10:00] a good sunburn and, and what have you, and you can't pae people in it. But the new kind, what they did is they changed out the gas that they decided to shake up and electrify essentially.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So when they take Krypton, little bit of chloride, but Krypton they put that in there. Now it moved the, just enough to now where it still kills all the viruses, bacteria, but it cannot physically penetrate human skin or eyes. Like at all, it has never once been able to harm the 2 22 filtered without like an offshoot wavelength that they forgot to filter out, you know, seven, eight years ago before they learned about that.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Never has the 2 22 nanometers. The number is an exist, super important, but never has that been able to harm a person or an animal ever. And so with those, and going back to your earlier question about how well is it working? Well, they've had over 2000 installations plus in the last. Two and a half years, there's not been one single known transmission in those spaces since that's occurred.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And not one single soli solitary side effect either. Nothing. [00:11:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. Well, how come we haven't been hearing about this more often?

Dr. Aaron Williams: Well, you know, and that's an interesting question. So, you know, when we tend to like to think of things in black or white conversations, this is one that really lies in the gray.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so whether you are, you know, from the mindset that if it was important enough, we surely would've heard about it. Surely the, you know, the CDC and the other health authorities would've put this out there. If that's your mindset, then you would write it off based on that. And then you have, on the flip side, you have people who think, you know, the government or whoever will shut down anything and everything that's out there.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So there's no way this could really be real. Either. And so what you've got is a very small niche of people who know about this cuz doctors don't study this. I don't recall in training or ever in conversation, and unlikely you haven't either. But I guess I'll ask if you've ever read or heard about the Photochemistry and Photobiology journals or reading nature journals as a regular, you know, and that's the, the Science Journal.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But we don't read that as doctors, right?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:12:00] No, no way. I just recently learned a couple weeks ago that there are photo receptors. I think in every cell in our body. And there is a way to do photo biomodulation where you can treat people with lasers deep inside, like let's say the brain penetrating the brain with a certain wavelength through the skull.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. That's fantastic. You know, the red light therapy and infrared therapy or those sorts of things. And it's incredible, you know, it, the fact that, you know, it's really a good point that you bring up because this was something I wasn't aware of at all before, you know, before this pandemic and before starting to look in past, what I assumed was just, you know, the best kind of medicine, the best, you know, stuff that we were trained in that was really, you know, that was where it was at.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I didn't discount, per se, anything that was a nutraceutical or what have you. But I didn't think it was as good, right, as our normal stuff. So it didn't blow it off. Anything that affects the body is a drug, right? And it's anything that has an effect on the body as a drug. But I thought that our [00:13:00] stuff was kind of that real stuff.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But yes, between You know, photobiomodulation using red light infr, red light therapy between, you know, using outside the body ultraviolet, ultraviolet doesn't have a purpose inside the body, at least not really. And you'd also have to go to the FDA to be able to do that sort of thing. And you know how that would be a, a mess regardless.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so yeah, it's the, the amount of health that we could better by learning about. These sorts of things, whether it be from the infectious disease standpoint, whether it be from the photobiomodulation, helping with traumatic brain injuries that sort of thing. And also just healing and energizing the cells.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I mean, it works literally on cytochrome c oxidase within the mitochondria of any cell that it can reach. And so that's something that really, the new medicine, you know, as, as. People are developing kind of a new way and a new, more all inclusive model, more inclusive model to healthcare. That's one of those things that should 100% be included.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Definitely. Where [00:14:00] can we get these? Is this available for, let's say, my home? Your home?

Dr. Aaron Williams: Yes, it is. You can get them. The thing though that I tell people usually is, that's usually not where you're getting things. And also the method of transmission is a little bit different. So if you were to put 'em in your house, you know, they're a bit expensive.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Not for putting 'em in public places though. And the money's already been set aside, like we could put 'em in every single school in America right now with money to spare, with leftover funds from the a r p and such that are in Esser funds. They're called Esser funds. And for the schools, but for home use.

Dr. Aaron Williams: To do that. So think of it as a wide angle flashlight. And so for instance, I actually bought the, one of the companies, Eden Park, the illumination out of Illinois, made the first version that is portable and could be operated with a battery. So, but if you think of it like a wide angle flashlight, so here this is very light, [00:15:00] slightly bigger than my hand.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And basically all you would do for this, and you're thinking about it, like I said, as a, as a wide angle flashlight. Turn this on. A very non-intrusive hum that it makes a tiny purple glow. You might not even be able to tell, but that's not the part of the ultraviolet because you can't see this. So it doesn't bother anyone in the space, and it comes out in about a 60 degree cone as a wide angle flashlight.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So if you think of it like that, so if we're in one room in a house, for instance, we're in one room and we shine it out in between everybody, essentially, that's gonna be cleaning the air in real time to the tune of, and depending on what model you've got, what power, what strength, et cetera. But the studies.

Dr. Aaron Williams: It actually, when coding, you know, getting a good amount of the room, it's gonna kill roughly 99% continuously as you breathe it out. And the thing about the home though, oh, go ahead. [00:16:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wait, so I had a question about how long does the particles need to be, how long did the particles need to be exposed to that?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To them, or destroy them or however it works?

Dr. Aaron Williams: Yeah, it's basically within seconds. As much as maybe 30 seconds total. But not much more than that. And what it does is that energy gets into, and to get back to your question and answer it better, my apologies. My apologies, is that it gets into the cell cuz it can penetrate cuz it's a lot smaller and thinner than, you know, we have dead skin cells.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Like multiple layers of dead skin cells, and so it can't get through that. But in those bacteria viruses, and whether that's anthrax, whether that's smallpox, whether that's any virus you can come up with the cold viruses, flu viruses, coronaviruses, every variant. It penetrates then, and then it basically will melt the dna n and r n a.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Effectively, it'll increase some of the energy within some of the bonds, and then it will kind of crosslink them. So if you think of 'em, kind of [00:17:00] like a zipper you know, as we've been taught in the past to think about dna, basically what it does is it, it will glue some of those pieces together. So it's all non-functional, so it can't replicate whatsoever, and there's no real reversal.

Dr. Aaron Williams: There's no There's no immunity or any resistance that can develop to this. They did a study just recently actually looking at influenza virus viruses and their sequences from like the 1980 Spanish 1918, excuse me, Spanish flu on still works within seconds, just like it always has. Never has changed a bit, so, but yeah, it only takes, you know, Roughly 30 seconds or so, and they just increased the power levels in terms of safety limits that you can give 20 times more than what you could give it, give it before this round of research basically really started kicking into gear the last three years.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So you can use a lot of it, kill stuff within seconds. They, they did that study. I was referencing a study from Nature Magazine. You know, [00:18:00] the science magazine as we talked about, it was in March of 2022. They basically took a room and they filled it and they, they took one side of it and they continuously blew in staff Aureus.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So for, for listeners as well, if you've heard of rsa, that's that same sort of thing. And it's a much, you know, bigger bug than is Covid or different influenza viruses. So you're talking, you know, a lot bigger. So they continuously pumped it into the room. They measured the levels of it. They turned the lights on.

Dr. Aaron Williams: The first time they checked was at minute five. The numbers went from a hundred percent to less than around 1%. Wow. It was 99% gone, and then it stayed gone the entire time, despite them continuously pumping it into the room. That's how well this works.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's really interesting. Was it, were they pumping it right into the beam at first, or did it have to go all around and then eventually get to the beam?

Dr. Aaron Williams: The [00:19:00] beams were, so they were coming down from the ceiling in a rectangular, I believe room, and there was five of them coming down. So they're coming down like wide angle flashlights and it's coming from something above there, so it's wafting in and around and so, and then they're checking it like just towards the other side of the room and it's gone.

Dr. Aaron Williams: That's pretty amazing. Essent. Yeah. Essentially all gone and. It's, it's almost hard for people to believe that something. So what sounds kind of simple, also sounds spacey. It could work so well. I mean, it's krypton like, you know, like Superman, what have you, but it really does work this well, and it's not coming outta somebody's garage.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I don't sell it. I make no money on it. In fact, I've lost, we'll just say a lot because I, you know, I, I resigned from my position over a year ago with this. The main purpose of it, to get word out there about this light. And to get people to start putting it in multiple places. And, and, and it is in many more places than I mentioned before.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I mean, it's in four school districts in South [00:20:00] Carolina with great success. 331 buses, 72 schools. It's in a bus line in Cleveland and it's in multiple dentists offices, chiropractors, offices, a bunch of different spaces, some different schools with kids with special needs who also couldn't wear masks if we believed that those work.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But regardless for those kids as well. Right. And It's been just amazing the entire time. But yeah, this is, it works so well. It is fully proven scientifically to be completely safe com and it works amazingly. The only question is how amazing does it work? That's why I have literally hardly worked, you know, in the last year as an anesthesiologist was weird cuz you know, I go from chairman of the department for multiple years leading up things within a hospital system.

Dr. Aaron Williams: To doing this, right. But that's why, you know, and, and over time as I've studied it, as I referenced earlier, it's only gotten better. It has only gotten better and the study's more robust and the proof and the evidence more robust that the logic from the start was, [00:21:00] okay, well if we have those lights that have worked amazingly for water treatment and your hvac, whatever, but we can actually do it in real time, then.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And then you can do it safely without it penetrating skin or eyes. There's no really other way that it could work other than just incredibly so, and, and, and to, to just kind of put that into perspective for people. So if you think about it, you know, you say, well, it, it works great in the hvac, or what about that little, that little you know, filter, UV combo I've got in the corner?

Dr. Aaron Williams: It's really loud and it's kind of blowing what have you. But those work great. They do work great. For the air they touch and when they touch it. But if you, you have a sick person on this side of the room, and then on the other side of the room is the vent to actually have the air go out to then go and get cleaned.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Everybody's gonna get exposed to a good amount before it actually gets up there to be cleaned. So that's only gonna help so much. Will it decrease the overall level in the room? Yeah, a little [00:22:00] bit. And what, what we measure that in without, you know, popping up, you know, pictures or what have you, is, is air exchanges per hour.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Like if you wash the air out that had the virus in it, there's none left. And how much can you, how much can you do with that? And you know, if you get a little back mixing, so they say like one air exchange, you'll get rid of roughly 63%. And then there's 37% left per hour. So there's 37% left. Well then another air exchange per hour will take 63% of the remaining 37 and so on.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So what you get with an HVAC UV device or one of the ones like in the corner is your PR in the corner of a room. For instance, you're gonna get maybe two or so air exchanges an hour. These lights. And, and CDC recommendations and what have you were somewhere in the three to six range for public spaces.

Dr. Aaron Williams: That's what they beefed it up to. The lights for comparison have 184 air exchange per hour equivalent. That's how [00:23:00] quick and amazing, I mean, literally, that's at the speed of light, killing it within seconds. As you're breathing it out, this is why you have these 2000 installations and no one has ever reported a known case of transmission in those spaces.

Dr. Aaron Williams: That's, it only makes sense to be honest,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: that that's actually really incredible. How far can these lights shine? How far are they effective?

Dr. Aaron Williams: You know what I've been told, and I think it makes some sense. They can shine quite a ways. I mean, you can get coverage for up to. You know, 2000 square feet, depending on the power level like luminance and what have you.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And it's basically until it hits something essentially. And that could be like little dust particles in the air as well. Soak up a little bit of it as it goes along, things like that. But yeah, generally you're gonna get about a thousand, 2000 square feet outta something like this, and some of them will be about 500.

Dr. Aaron Williams: It also depends on where you're shining at. You know, if I take it here in my hand and shine it just four feet down to the ground with a cone that's 60 degrees. [00:24:00] I'm not getting near as much coverage. Right. So it's really just kind of getting a mental image in your mind and doing that. And, and if I step back to the home for a moment, cause I didn't answer your question fully.

Dr. Aaron Williams: There at your home, you're gonna be really close to people. There's gonna be more intimate contact, you know, hugging, kissing, family members, kids, et cetera. And so you're gonna, you would have to have it in every single room in your house. Cause as soon as you moved from your living room where you had it stationed to your kitchen, then.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Now, you know, yeah, you decreased your overall, but you have so many other rooms and it would get really cost prohibitive to put it in your, in your house. And that's where that would be a bigger issue. Whereas in public spaces, like it just takes care of all of it. Now, there is one caveat. I mean, I have one, but it's also more for beta testing.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so I could show people and, and that sort of thing that I bought it. But if you had one like say, you know, and you had a bunch of family coming over or you had someone who just went through chemo, And you know, they're immune suppressed and you [00:25:00] wanna put it in a main area where people can gather and come see them and don't have to worry about it.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And you just be careful about all the close touching that sort of thing. And you have the extra, you know, capacity to spend, you know, a thousand dollars or what have you, which for what it does is actually an incredible bargain. But that would be the one caveat to maybe using it in your home. But otherwise, this is more really for the public places, because where people are spreading, I mean, where pandemic spread are in those public places, indoor public spaces floating in the air, not on the surfaces.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And anything this does, you know, say you have these, wherever you have 'em put up whatever surfaces this light hits, it does the same thing. So it also does surfaces as well, so there's a lot less Now, it doesn't do a crack around. A corner doesn't obviate the need entirely from doing wipe downs and things.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And it's not gonna go through syrup that's caked on a, you know, on a seat cushion in an airport terminal. But anything that's otherwise wiped clean this decreases that contaminant load greatly. But the air [00:26:00] is where it's most effective and incredible and needed for that matter.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I, I see where the importance of this probably is more likely in small communities, public buildings, like you had said, so that the people in that area can kind of push their local community to have these lights installed in whatever public spaces they have.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that seem to be what, like you said, schools and buses and things like that? Is that where you're seeing this used the most?

Dr. Aaron Williams: It is starting to be for sure, and I know Laredo public school districts were recently put out an R F P and with the likely result being that they were gonna put it in their schools as well.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Those four school districts in South Carolina were actually Representative Clyburn, a very prominent democratic representative, longtime well respected. He his campaign actually helped. To facilitate that whole project and apparently Chicago Public Schools has some interest as well. You know, and this has been out there too.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I will say to tie this [00:27:00] back into the conversation, it's been in the New York Times, it's been, you know, a year ago they had an article like, we Can Stop Super Spreader Events in New York Times. From these public health experts and the real experts on this UV light time magazine article from the Harvard physician who's been the longtime studier you know, and researcher on this.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And then yeah, they've been on n NBC News three times. In 18, 20 and 22, Dr. David Brenner, the physicist at Columbia University, the namesake, you know, physiology department from Marie Curie, you know, if we recall the name from school. He's the lead of that department. He's been one of the main researchers really developing this along with the companies, and he was on there multiple times as well.

Dr. Aaron Williams: It really does need to be getting back to that, that. Point it does need to be in those public spaces, getting the community to sit out there and do it. Because right now it's really just getting the knowledge out to them and then getting 'em to understand it and also getting 'em understand that, number one, it's real.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Number two, it's available. And like in mass [00:28:00] production, that's kind of just waiting for more demand to really get out there. And number three, in most of these spaces we're talking about, not at the home, but in most of these public spaces, we're talking about money that's already laid aside. And these a r P funds.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So schools, if you get into this, dig into this, learn about it, you don't even have to learn that much. You don't have to be on a physicist level. You just have to understand it works and it's safe and it's incredible and we need to put it in everywhere. And then you can go to your school boards or what have you.

Dr. Aaron Williams: All they have to do is use the money they already have. There's complaint articles if you loo, look and, you know, do a, you know, a, a duck duck go search or what have you, Google search, whatever. And you'll find a lot of people in different communities complaining at their school boards for not using all this money that's allocated.

Dr. Aaron Williams: What are you gonna do with all this money that's there? It's literally, there's billions of dollars in virtually every state, depending on the size. But there is more than enough to put it in, in every single one of these schools. All they have to do is access it. And for, for For churches as well.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Churches [00:29:00] don't get the money directly. It's not as easy. But this has been something where a lot of people, you know, elderly people and stuff are not going, not even getting back into the church because of their fears of getting covid or, or what have you. And this would open that back up. But they do actually apply as non-profits and things under the a r p funds.

Dr. Aaron Williams: They just have to get the money through. A local like city or county government or the state government. So they just have to kind of apply for the money to come through to them and just work with their local representatives. There's at least five or 600 within about four states along the coast in the Carolinas, up through Virginia DC I believe that are all in the active process of getting funding to put these in.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that's great that, I mean, I think it's terrible that so many churches and so many people are afraid to go to church. So many churches have clothes down and people are afraid to go. People are still wearing, like, you know, there's that one family at church who wears a mask. You can see 'em kind of over there.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But this might be a way to help. [00:30:00] People be encouraged to go back to church, to be around other people, cuz that's so important for humans. You know, that's, that's part of this unseen realm battle is that let's isolate, let's segregate, let's, you know, put people in their own little silos so that they don't know what other people are thinking.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's easier to do when you're not physically near people. When you're near people, it's easy. Hey Jim. Hey Bob. Hey Martha. You know, I mean, it's easy to, to talk to people and then get connected and build relationships, but Satan wants to destroy all that. With fear, and this seems like it's a great way to help alleviate fears.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. There's no doubt. I mean, if I didn't have such a strong conviction, I mean, I definitely wouldn't have, you know, totally turned my life upside down to do this and you know, to bring people back together again. You know, you think about it from that, from that just human perspective as well. Think of how many people were dying in our ICUs in places alone.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Couldn't be around their family. They might have been, you know, 14 days out from having, you [00:31:00] know, from being first ill with covid and well known to not be infectious anymore. Yet they still couldn't have their loved ones come in and be with them. And you know, that's really when I, I don't think about this really for the hospitals as backwards as that sounds because we're used to also as physicians thinking about treatments.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But the real goal of, of all of our health and of public health policy stated is prevention. So that is the literal goal. And so this is something that actually does that. And so putting it in the community before you ever get there, not wasting, you know, a lot of time honestly, trying to, to convince a bunch of physicians on a hospital board about how great this is.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Unfortunately, you know, and I don't say this in a, in a, in a mean way, but if it didn't come from the cdc, Or if they didn't see it on the tv, it's not real for one reason or another. And it doesn't matter if it came out of Columbia University. Boeing Aerospace engineers that have been working on this since 2015, they have a whole UV team.[00:32:00]

Dr. Aaron Williams: They put it in their, their, they have one plane, an echo demonstrator where they show all their top technology. In 2019, they had it on their Echo demonstrator plane, and again, last year in 2022. They headed out in the, the Gales where people congregate when they're getting ready to use the restrooms and the, and the the airline attendants are, and that sort of thing.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And also in the laboratories themselves, they don't really need 'em in the seats. Contrary to public belief, when people think they're getting sick on the plane, they're getting sick actually in the lines for security. And in the terminals there's about 30 to 45 air exchanges per hour in each of those seats.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And in the laboratories, not on surfaces. But that air in there is roughly around 60. You can't hardly get anyone else sick in those spaces. But I mean, this came from like full science, full tech. It's got everything that it needs to have. And getting those put into hospitals is too much of a problem.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I really, the places where I push it, to be honest, in that realm. Or for, say, [00:33:00] pediatric bone marrow transplant units, cancer wards, things like that. That's where you'd get really a lot of high impact. I mean, our, our system had started up, you know, a, a covid hospital. No one, we had zero transmissions at our hospital settings at that hospital or at our regular hospitals for at least a year and a half into that.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Into Covid. So really that's not where the spread's happening, it's really happening in those public spaces. And so whether it's those churches and getting 'em back in there, or just letting people know, like this is kind of how, as, as hyperbolic as it sounds, that this is how you stop respiratory pandemics.

Dr. Aaron Williams: This is fully how you stop them. And, and you'd say, well, that seems kind of outlandish. And it really does, unless you think about it for a minute. The reason we don't have water-based pandemics now in the us the reason why you don't talk about not being able to drink the water, right? Oh don't wash your, you know, your lettuce with the water.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Make sure you do something else before. The reason why we do that is because we actually. [00:34:00] Sterilize, you know, using the term sterilize loosely, but basically we disinfect that'd be a better, better rough term without getting into fda. 99.99 definitions and what have you. Basically, we disinfect that water.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So we went from a society that had typhoid fever as the GI equivalent of covid and long covid. It was cyclical. It was endemic. It would go through the communities wreak havoc and your water supply, and this is how they judged the water supply a little over a hundred years ago. Your water supply was good if only 25 out of every 100,000 people in your community died every year from typhoid fever.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Wow. 25 out of a hundred thousand died from it. So you can tell how many more thousand. Got it. Right. And then they've got the leftover, the long you know, we'll say the long typhoid, which was kind of like dysentery and all these bowel problems and, and all the, these issues that were going on afterwards.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But it was considered good water if that, and also for a more tangible space, if they measured your water and put it under [00:35:00] a microscope. Circa 1900, 19 0 5 plus sounds like ancient history, but it's important to this discussion. If you had one milliliter and they counted up all the bacteria in it, if you had less than a hundred per one milliliter, it was considered quality water, 99 bacteria per milliliter.

Dr. Aaron Williams: You were good to go. Because all they did was filter it, but they didn't disinfect it yet. So you can only do so much through filtration processes. That was way better than it was before. That said, it was far from being able to tackle the problem. That same thing applies to air filtration and or cleaning it after it leaves the room, but rather than disinfecting it in real time.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So people thought it was crazy which is really odd. Right. It was really odd because the background story to this, back to the days of like, you know snow taking off the well pump, you know, in, in London for the, the cholera or whatever epidemic was there in like the 1840s was they would go down the streets, [00:36:00] spraying down everything with chlorine during one of these huge outbreaks of cholera that was killing tons of people.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Tons of people. And, and when that would happen, you know, people in New York when cholera was coming over on the boats with people, 200,000 out of 450,000 fled the city. Nearly 50% fled the city because of how bad it was. So they'd go out there and these cities and they'd spray the streets down.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Everything done with chlorine. They would use chlorine in their houses to wipe everything down, all of the surfaces, all these different things. Babies would drink high concentrations, drink high concentrations of it when they got diarrhea, illnesses. So a doc, one doc, and I didn't know this till I was gonna include it in a talk.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I'm like, well, if we disinfect, you know, our water, I mean, that's why we don't get sick, you know? But before I put it in a presentation, I was like, let me look up the background, you know, does it really apply as well as I think it does. In fact, it applied better than I thought, and a book written called the Chlorine Revolution.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Was written in the [00:37:00] last 10 years or so by a engineer with like Waterworks Association, et cetera, talking about the history of that. So we have this assumption as a society that anytime there's some great advance that automatically the public finds out and they're like, oh, this is amazing, and it just gets implemented automatically.

Dr. Aaron Williams: In fact, the opposite is usually true. And in our profession, you know, in, in the medical profession, one that's more specific to us is the thing that's called the Simis reaction, or the Simis reflex, which I didn't know was a thing. But back in the 1840s when Simis, a physician in Austria somewhere, basically said, okay, why are you know 15 to 18% of our women dying from child bed fever after we deliver their babies in these hospitals?

Dr. Aaron Williams: And over here in the midwives, There's only like 4% dying. And he looks at it himself and his med students, and they say, well, he's like, well, we're going to the infected cadavers over here, putting our hands into infected cadavers, and then walking over and putting our hands [00:38:00] into the birth canal of the living moms.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And he says, maybe there's something there, whether it's humorous, whether it's whatever. Let's just end between those two spaces. Let's just wash our hands with some chlorine water. So they do that and immediately 15% down to like 1%, which was better than anywhere else at the time. Clear cut evidence and consistent, and it stayed that way.

Dr. Aaron Williams: You know, you think about that graph that I was telling you about, you know, five minutes later, 99%, and then it stays down. That same sort of process. Well, he presented it. Told the docs, but they got offended because they said, well, you're not saying that we are the cause of all this death and disease. No, they brushed it off.

Dr. Aaron Williams: He ended up in a mental asylum and died there. Later on, some years later, five years later, after he got, you know, progressively angrier, I don't know that he was fully psychotic. There's some different backstory to whatever. But he was presenting, trying to put this out in books and the medical community for over 20 years.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Didn't want to wash hands. In order to prevent the spread of disease, [00:39:00] and the same thing happened then not as bad with this water disinfection conversation where one doc and one engineer. We're basically like, well, we're ha we're using chlorine. We know it works. I use it under my microscope. You know, this time when doctors did their own tests under their own microscopes and they're, you know, their physician scientists, and he's like, well, if I just even put a little bit in here, that works great.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So why don't we design a system for this, those Jersey city in that area, and do that? Well, the heads of m i t fought him in court, fought them in court. In 19 0 8, 19 0 9, it's a big saga. And they tried to, what, what are you gonna do? Like long-term effects, et cetera, et cetera. We don't know what it'll do.

Dr. Aaron Williams: They're like, well, I know what it does right now. It kills all those 99 bacteria per milliliter. You thought were okay. And our people are going through these cycles of dis of death. And when cholera comes to town, lots of death. They have full cholera cemeteries on the East coast, like cholera cemeteries only.

Dr. Aaron Williams: [00:40:00] And so, A little different discussion now with, with some of our amount of medical care, but you'd still have that. So we've kind of not really grasped how good it is just to do disinfection of like the three main vehicles, hands, water, and then air in these public places. You put it in there, wherever you put these pandemics won't be able to spread.

Dr. Aaron Williams: It'll be like GI diseases are now. So we have about 300 cases roughly per year of typhoid fever that come into the us. They might spread to some people that they might make the meal for the next day or so, so you might get an outbreak of 15 people, but it's very easy to trace and track and then it goes away quickly.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Same thing with cholera. About five cases get to come in per year. They don't get to spread anywhere because they can't take that bacteria, toss it into the water supply, and then everyone else gets sent out to them and put it in. Think about that in terms of someone coming off a plane from China, wherever they got it from, or you know, they were studying some melting ice somewhere and got a primordial [00:41:00] virus that we're being warned about, you know recently in the news.

Dr. Aaron Williams: That's a new thing apparently they're telling us about. So regardless they come over. They're covered in the airplanes. They're covered in the airport terminal. They're covered in the grocery store. When they go get groceries before they go back to their friends or relative's house, the only place they can spread it to relieves those relatives, but then those relatives can't spread it anywhere else.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So that same sort of concept applies. It does. It is a little harder when you're just speaking about it. You really have to kind of visualize this. But really there's not any other way that this can really work. It's just wherever you decide to put them, that's where you're gonna stop the transmission.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So flu sick days at work, sick days at school, all of that, that school district I was telling you about, from putting 'em in three of those four school districts, from putting 'em into. Those 331 buses in those four districts, within the first 60 days, they saw a 30% increase in their attendance just from putting 'em in the buses.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so, you know, as I do, as a medical and scientific professional, there's a lot of variables in there [00:42:00] that said 30% when other districts are having increases of their, you know absenteeism is a clear indicator that it's a large part of.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: 30% is huge. And before we get going too much further, your talk about chlorine.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to have the listener go back and look at episode 79 at the time of recording. It's not published yet, but by the time it comes out, it'll be out episode 79 where I talk to Dr. Manuel Apricio and he talks about chlorine dioxide and how that can help prevent illness, treat illness, treat various.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Conditions. So please go back, take a look at that one.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Oh yeah, that's a fantastic subject that I look forward to delving into more, so I'll have to check that out as well. See how there's, I do, there's,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: go ahead. I do need to give the quick disclaimer that I'm not suggesting using it for treatment. The FDA would not like me to do that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is only for educational purposes. You get it.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. And you know, and the good thing here about this slide, [00:43:00] right? A lot of people are like, is this approved? How does this kind of work? Well, yeah, it's been approved for some time. It's approved through the EPA as a disinfection device rather than as a treatment device.

Dr. Aaron Williams: You know, some people say, well, can you drop it down? Well, theoretically we could put it onto a wand and whatnot if they could make it you know, make the probes thin enough. That said, that's an FDA approval. It's a totally different thing. Prevention is key. Prevention is where we stop the spread of all these things.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so wherever these viruses come from, whatever labs or bats or raccoon dogs or monkeys or whatever it is, if it's not something sexually transmitted and it's something that's circling in the air, that's where we can put these. So the epa, it's already done, there's two committees, mainly two organizations.

Dr. Aaron Williams: One is the A C G I H. Like industrial hygienics organization. And then the other one is the ansi, which is a nsi, the American National Standards Institute. Those are kind of like the stamps for what is a safe amount of. X, Y, or Z to [00:44:00] use in a public space. So whether that's, you know, a chemical cleaner, whether that's UV light, a different kind of UV light, a laser, different lasers for applications, medical or otherwise, these are the people to do it well before, and the numbers and whatever aren't, you know, super important.

Dr. Aaron Williams: But like I said, I referenced briefly earlier, so before they had a theoretical model for how much of this you could use, which was like 23 millijoules per centimeter squared. But either way, just 23. Through all these studies that were specially done over the last three years. They, you know, went back to them, the researchers, Columbia, et cetera, went back and said, Hey, we need to be moving this up because we could get even better coverage.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Then it was with that lower level, it was still roughly 92% continuous, which is way better than. Anything else in a space. But now that's why it's closer to 99 because they did approve it for going from 23 to 4 79. They literally said, not only is it safe, but it's so safe. [00:45:00] You can use 20 times more of it.

Dr. Aaron Williams: So this is more than approved. It's out of big institutions and there's nothing really like again, it's not like some entrepreneurs out of their garage, somebody with some new snake oil to sell you, but in the form of a light. It's fully proven and it's, it, it is fully ready to go.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's incredible. I, I wanna thank you for, for sharing so much information with us today.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where can people in their local community, and maybe you can send me a link and I can put it down below, where they can find this company that makes these and they can talk to their local community about getting it in certain areas, let's say schools or, you know, wherever they feel is appropriate.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. You know, there's a, there's some of the different websites for the actual manufacturers and what have you. They can look at Columbia University's website. If they look up Columbia University, far Dash, like not near but far, cuz it's just farther down the spectrum of the light. [00:46:00] You know, 2 22, whatever far uvc, far uvc, Columbia University, Dr.

Dr. Aaron Williams: David Brenner, b r e. And then er, so you can find some things there. You can also find things just doing a general web search. Some of the companies Care two 20 two.com. Buso is a big lighting manufacturer. They do medical lasers, they do all kinds of things. They've been one of the primary developers of this along with Eden Park.

Dr. Aaron Williams: The product that I showed you earlier, Eden Park Elimination out of Illinois. So if you look up Eden park.com, that is theirs. There's some other companies that are really active in putting it out there. One is called us. UV Clean, not clean, but dirty us uv clean.com. And they were the ones who installed a bunch of them down in South Carolina and multiple other places.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And I think they've done some shows, but I don't know if they've been published with Discovery Channel with Voice of America Radio. And some others. So those are some places. And then one other is, and again, I don't get paid for anything, but I did set this website up last year so people didn't have to, I didn't have [00:47:00] to depend on people listening for 45 minutes to get them from knowing nothing to being like, why don't we have this everywhere?

Dr. Aaron Williams: And so I put this website krypton lights.com, so K R Y P T O N. lights.com and I have a fair amount of information. I have links you could figure out how much money is left in your state right now, which is still a lot at last check under these esser funds to be able to put them in schools. I have some information there.

Dr. Aaron Williams: I also probably at some point here, and if people send me an email, which you can send an email on the site, I have a three page. Like more of a scientific paper, but it was set up to go to the school districts. That might be helpful as well cuz it gives it to 'em in layman's terms, but also gives 'em the backing.

Dr. Aaron Williams: It shows 'em that, you know, the CDC and World Health have even supported this for TB control in the past. It took 'em about 40 years too long to get there. That said, they finally did, and that's out in 2009. Recommendations that still last to this day from the CDC about using the old kind, the upper room uv.

Dr. Aaron Williams: They kind of just shine above your head and get the airs at was for TV control. So [00:48:00] that's there. I may have that put up there at some point if they reach out to me, I can definitely send that to them as well. And that'll be another resource. But I hope to also maybe just take my. My full talk and break it up into some parts and start to put those videos on there as well because it is kind of hard to wrap your head around and, you know, for a lot of people it's also, it's an uncomfortable thought to think that for at least the last two years it's pretty well been ready to go for two years, but especially the last year, year and a half, it's really, really been ready to go that we could have had this and stopped a lot of this death and destruction and, and problems and seen their loved ones.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Gone to church, all of these things for so long. So it's a little hard for people to grasp, you know? But. I can tell you every question you have can be answered well any of your listeners and you know, we can help them put it in. I'd be happy to help. As a reference, I, I'll even speak to school boards and things remotely.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Whatever we need to do to get it done, this needs to happen. The kids have lost so many days in [00:49:00] school. They say the learning loss from the US Surgeon General and unicef, you know, the losses are, you know, incalculable. For what's happened to our kids. And so it's only a matter of time. We're told before the next, you know, scary virus comes out and then we theoretically have to shut down, have to, but people would argue to shut down again.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Right? With this smallpox could be roaming. School would be your safe space if you have the lights in. That's what this looks like.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's revolutionary. It's. I mean, smallpox, it would take it out. Polio, take it out where, you know, back in the, you know, fifties and fifties at least kids would get polio during the summer and here now school would be the safe place that, that's interesting.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. I, I mean, it's, it's revolutionary and, and I appreciate you bringing me on to, to speak about it and be happy to, you know, provide whatever else your listeners and and help facilitate cuz it needs to happen, it needed to happen a year ago or so. I try not to get too [00:50:00] impatient and too frustrated with timing and, you know, wait for the Discovery Channel thing to come out to try to push that places from these companies.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And there is the first ever Congress, international Congress on far U V C science and technology happening at Columbia this summer. Because they realize too these researchers, developers, these companies, they all realize that it needs to be out there. And they're trying to figure out how do we get this to break through?

Dr. Aaron Williams: We've even put our strongly worded emphasis in, in all these scientific journals, they've said things on the New York Times and Time Magazine and n NBC and they've had little spots on Fox Business, et cetera. But how do you get it to really getting that public consciousness to where then they start demanding it and then we really actually get it done.

Dr. Aaron Williams: And that's, that's what they're you know, working more towards as they continue to still study it more. But yeah, it's fully operational and yeah. Again, I appreciate you having me on here to speak about it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, this is a great way where we take the power back. We don't, we, we remove the ability for someone to say, oh, we're gonna shut you down for two weeks to flatten the United States.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, flatten the [00:51:00] country. I mean, flatten the curve is what they were saying, the curve. And now we don't need to be. Slaves to that we can say no, we have better technology. And these are actually safer places because of these lights.

Dr. Aaron Williams: A hundred percent. It's basically a pandemic free zone. I mean, somebody can come in sick, but the spread is what characterizes a pandemic.

Dr. Aaron Williams: You know, a virus in a bat or a virus in a lab somewhere isn't a pandemic until it spreads. So this is what it does, is this stops the spread in the air in public places where it spreads. And it's as simple as that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Dr. Williams, thank you so much for coming on. I truly appreciate it.

Dr. Aaron Williams: Likewise.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just reminder for everyone out there due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:52:00]