94. Going to the Moon With Bart Sibrel
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Bart Sibrel: [00:00:00] I just was horrified that mankind would stoop so low, be so lost, that they would do such a thing. And for the most incredible conspiracy theory to be true, I think this is the fear of the government of it coming out. Even though faking the moon landing killed more people than 9 11, and even the Kennedy assassination witness list, it's the one that would probably bring about the most change in the government because it would outrage.

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Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. [00:01:00]

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: His name is Bart Sabrell and he. [00:02:00] Directed a movie called, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. He also did a movie called, Astronauts Gone Wild, which is not like some of those other Gone Wild movies out there, but there is someone that gets punched in the face, and maybe we can get him to talk about that a little bit.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then, a book that I just recently finished called, Moon Man. Now, sir, what is your your premise in these books and what's the direction you're going? Because it's a novel topic that many people haven't heard of.

Bart Sibrel: I think people have heard of it, but they just haven't pondered it seriously.

Bart Sibrel: The term conspiracy theory, was created by the CIA in the 60s. To make people who think that Oswald did not kill Kennedy talk about them in a derogatory way. The fact is, half of all crimes are more. Our conspiracies half are done in the heat and the passion of the moment and the other half are plotted out in advance.

Bart Sibrel: If you really think about it, probably more crimes are plotted out in advance than are passion crimes. So [00:03:00] conspiracy is a federal term. It's a federal indictment often used against gangsters. And when our federal government has become gangsters, which is basically murderers and embezzlers, which they are, then they conspire.

Bart Sibrel: to pull off their crimes. And so the term conspiracy theory came about and you could say Kim Trails could be in that or whether modification could be that, although both of those things are factual. The, you could say quintessential. Conspiracy theory is the one that the moon landings were filmed on Earth in a TV studio.

Bart Sibrel: And, as someone who grew up believing in the moon landing wholeheartedly to the point of having a shrine, of them in my home, wherever I went, a dedicated area of Apollo 11 pictures. I assumed they were real. And then when I found out that they were not, what's really shocking, Sam, is [00:04:00] this most preposterous thing that the government is so arrogant to fake the moon landing is actually true.

Bart Sibrel: And I know you talk of things from a biblical nature, and when I was first asked, To produce this movie. Basically I as a 14 year old up until, from age four to 14 was when I was four, when they allegedly walked on the moon and got a picture of my father from my father who was in the Air Force.

Bart Sibrel: This packet. 9x12 color prints and I cherished them and built a shrine. Every bedroom I moved to, which you know in the military is every couple of years, had that shrine to Apollo 11. So when I'm 14, I see a former contractor for Rocketdyne, who worked on the Apollo program for six years with very high security clearance, say they couldn't do it, so they bluffed like in poker.

Bart Sibrel: I'm an open minded 14 year old, so I go back to my bedroom shrine, [00:05:00] look at these pictures with... A little bit more critically than I had before, and sure enough, you can see where the real soil ended and the fake backdrop began quite easily in the older pictures because they have since color corrected them.

Bart Sibrel: The original ones had the moon's soil, caramel brown, which it actually is, and the backdrop kind of, grayish blue. They now make the soil grayish blue in all the moon pictures, but in the original ones, if you can find them, it's a very caramel brown, so makes it pretty easy to discern where the real Earth is and the fake backdrop begins.

Bart Sibrel: And so that kind of planted a seed in my mind, and if you fast forward ten years into the story, at 24, I'd become a filmmaker. Making fake pictures look real is the whole point of the job, right? That's what filmmakers do, they make fake scenes look real. And I was producing or editing a program for the guy Who had [00:06:00] produced the show.

Bart Sibrel: I saw it 10 years earlier as a 14 year old. And was like, who was that guy on your show who said we didn't go to the moon? He put me in touch with them and he suggested as a filmmaker, I produce a film about it. And after investigating it first for about six months, and finding incredible inconsistencies in the picture.

Bart Sibrel: Really, you can prove the moon landings are fake with one picture. I could share the screen or you could add it in later. But it's a picture where they claim is on the moon where the shadow of the astronauts going in the 12 o'clock direction and a shadow of a rock about 5 feet away. It's going at 9 o'clock.

Bart Sibrel: A 90 degree difference in shadows from objects 5 feet apart, where if you go out in your front yard and two friends stand beside one another on a cloudless day, you'll see your shadows of your body always run parallel and it's impossible for them to intersect because the sun is 93 million miles away.

Bart Sibrel: So to claim that this picture was taken in sunlight [00:07:00] is completely false. So really, you can prove it legally, ethnically, and scientifically. That the moon missions are fake when you have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees from objects 5 feet apart. If you add to that the fact that the Soviets launched everything first animal, first satellite, first man, first woman, first spacewalk, and they had 500% more man hours in space than we did, and we suddenly went from being in space for 15 minutes to walking on the moon.

Bart Sibrel: And eight and a half years, it seems a little bit odd when it can't be repeated 50 years later. And then the behavior of the astronauts is really bizarre. And then there's so many, things that stand out that when I first realized it could very well be true that they faked it, I turned it down for fear of my life.

Bart Sibrel: And because I thought, if the CIA or whoever did fake it and I start overturning these rocks, it [00:08:00] could be hazardous to my health. I originally turned down the project. And then, a few years later, a client challenged me to read the Bible, which I did. I got a one year Bible and read the Bible five times from cover to cover.

Bart Sibrel: over the next five years, and I came to the conviction that, first of all, there is right or wrong. It makes sense, there's a judgment for what we do in this world. And, I realized, if they did fake the moon landing, that's actually more profound historically than if they'd actually gone. Do you see that?

Bart Sibrel: Either they planted a flag on a rock, came back, or... They deceived the whole world. It's mankind's greatest accomplishment by allegedly the, the shining light country on the earth. And it's all a forgery, embezzlement, murder to cover it up, lying to history, lying to their citizens, if that's true.

Bart Sibrel: That's actually much more profound historically than if they'd [00:09:00] actually gone. And when you realize, as I gradually did, that they really did fake it, it just blows your mind. When I changed my mind, I said, I'm gonna die anyway. And you might as well go out in a blaze of glory for a just cause. And I changed my mind, and as serendipity would have it, a few days later, I met a millionaire who builds rockets for NASA, who knows the moon missions are fake.

Bart Sibrel: He gave me a million dollars to produce these films, and I still said they probably went, but you never know. And then three and a half years into the seven year project, I pop in a tape, it says don't show to the public, it's behind the scenes, unedited footage, dated two days into the flight, of them faking being halfway to the moon with a one foot model.

Bart Sibrel: And the CIA on a third track of audio telling him how to fake a four second radio delay. And when I saw that, Sam, I'm like, oh my gosh, they really [00:10:00] did fake the moon landing. And I just was horrified that mankind would stoop so low, be so lost, that they would do such a thing. And for the most incredible conspiracy theory to be true...

Bart Sibrel: I think this is the fear of the government of it coming out, even though faking the moon landing killed more people than 9 11, and even the Kennedy assassination witness list, it's the one that would probably bring about the most change in the government, because it would outrage. the public, because whoever did 9 11, all those people are dead.

Bart Sibrel: Whoever killed Kennedy, he's still dead. But this is a positive lie. Taking that away, taking that candy away, taking Santa Claus for adults away, and telling them it's all a lie, giving them a turd in place of their candy, I think there would be outrage. In fact, a news director at NBC Saw the footage I uncovered, agreed [00:11:00] 100%, it conclusively proved that they did not go to the moon, refused to broadcast it for fear it would cause a civil war.

Bart Sibrel: He says, I'm not gonna go down in history as the man who caused the second American Civil War, because he figured the American public would be so outraged. And that's why to this day you type in moon landing fraud On Google, you don't get anything about the fraud. You get a thousand links about how no, we really went.

Bart Sibrel: Come on. If I went around saying that Mickey Mouse was the first president instead of George Washington, do you really think there'd be a thousand videos to refute me? Come on. And something made out of straw has to be constantly supported and that's what they're doing and thanks for letting me ramble on.

Bart Sibrel: Sam, I'll let you ask your next question.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, this is great. And, I just want to put this in context because it was a funny encounter I had with another guest who said something because, I like looking at what, at things that other [00:12:00] people feel uncomfortable looking at ever since I've had.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I gave you a background of my story. But ever since I've had the mask taken off of me and I've been able to see the truth with diet we didn't talk about that, but many of my listeners, viewers know that I have a very different opinion on diet, and I learned nothing in med school, and then with the whole COVID vaccine issue my opinion on vaccines has significantly changed, and then I start looking into different subjects, and I've actually had one guest say to me, in reference to another guest I've had on, tinfoil hat.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm not saying that about you, it's just, it's, The thing that he was talking about, people might say that he needs a tinfoil hat, but what we need to do is not come to the table with our conclusions that, oh, this is crazy because I saw it, I knew it, this is what I was taught. Maybe there's more to it, especially when you show things that, to me, would be proof.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Every one of the things that you've mentioned seems like it would be proof that you could use in a court, unless you can defy physics in certain places like those pictures, where the light intersects.

Bart Sibrel: This is the. Yeah, a lot of these [00:13:00] films, my book that you mentioned is interactive, there's 16 video clips.

Bart Sibrel: I write a chapter and I say now go to sobrell. com and watch clip number one, clip number two. All these clips are available for free, to watch at sobrell. com. If you want to buy the book, it's on audio, which I read, Kindle or print. And yeah, we actually have four times the proof that would prove it in a court of law.

Bart Sibrel: All we have to do is get a jury and say let's go outside and see if we can get somebody standing and put a rock five feet away and see if we can get these shadows to intersect at ninety degrees and you can't. And then you go into the courtroom, turn off all the lights, bring in a studio light, have a person stand in the 12 o'clock position to the light, put a rock over in the 9 o'clock, and you'll see, oh, okay now we see that it can only be duplicated with an electrical light, which means they're on Earth.

Bart Sibrel: So that proves it. Secondly, NASA today, we're talking about with five decades, better rockets and [00:14:00] computers, the farthest they can send a human being into outer space, is 250 miles. The moon is one thousand times farther away. That's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon now. So what they're really claiming is, in 1969, when all of NASA's computer power combined had one millionth the processing power of a cell phone, they sent astronauts on the first attempt ahead of schedule, one thousand times farther.

Bart Sibrel: Then NASA can send astronauts today with 50 years better rockets and computers. So they're saying that they had 1, 000 times greater technology in the past than in the future, but you can't have greater technology in the past according to historical precedent and science, which means the claim. It's a forgery.

Bart Sibrel: That's what it means. [00:15:00] And then the third proof is this classified footage that I uncovered. You can see it for free at Sibrell. com. They claim this is the Earth floating in space. The lights come up, and it's a one foot model. And there are the astronauts, and it's dated two days after they left. And you hear a third track of audio of the CIA telling them to fake a four second radio delay to make it look like they're halfway to the moon when they're still in Earth orbit.

Bart Sibrel: And two news directors... Agreed. It proves they didn't go to the moon. And then we have, revealed for the first time in the book Moon Man, the deathbed confession of the chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base, who I witnessed the filming of the fake moon landing June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 1968. If I am in court and I say I saw Sam shoot that person, I think they take it very seriously.

Bart Sibrel: And so an eyewitness testimony is doubly powerful when it's a deathbed confession. [00:16:00] And not only this, he also confessed that he murdered a person. This guy said, as he's dying, trying to get right with God. Fearing hell, said dear Lord and my son, who he's talking to as he's dying, I killed another person. I killed a fellow worker at Cannon Air Force Base because he eyewitnessed the faking of the moon landing fraud and he was gonna tell a reporter.

Bart Sibrel: And I killed him to keep it a secret. You don't make that stuff up as you're dying, do you?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And telling your son, like your son would, like if it were my dad telling me that, I'd be more willing to not. Publish that information because it puts my father in a poor light. It seems like it was that important that this son divulges that information because it's that important.

Bart Sibrel: Yeah. I didn't put the murder in the book because his son was still alive and didn't want to deal with it. He was dying himself. When I was writing the book, so [00:17:00] now that he has died, I'm free to tell that information. There's a lot of stuff in the book that I did not put in the film if anything happened on the way to the moon, because certain people asked me to wait until after their death, including the murder of the crew of Apollo 1, who was gonna be the first crew on the moon, and this isn't my opinion.

Bart Sibrel: If Bobby Kennedy... Junior, okay, who has access, more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone, says that his uncle was killed by the CIA. You better believe it. And if the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon tells you that on January 26, 1967, her husband comes home, who was a whistleblower, who complained publicly on TV that NASA was 10 years away from going to the moon.

Bart Sibrel: He said, hon, for some strange reason the CIA is all over the launch pad [00:18:00] today, monkeying with the equipment. I wonder why. Never seen them here today for the first time. Why are they here? Next day, the guy's dead from faulty equipment. His widow told me he was murdered by the CIA. His son, 747 pilot, said he was murdered by the CIA.

Bart Sibrel: So we have the government killing their own people in a country that's founded On the principle that when any government becomes destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, they need to be altered or abolished. They're murdering their own people. Not my opinion. Opinion of the dead man's widow.

Bart Sibrel: In fact, Robert McNamara, Defense Secretary during the Vietnam War, who said the public isn't behind this. What are we gonna do? We need a Pearl Harbor event. He says he and the CIA just made up the Gulf of Tonkin incident of an alleged attack on an American ship. It never happened, he said, as he was dying.

Bart Sibrel: That led to the [00:19:00] death of 3 million people, including 58, 220 Americans. So I think if they're willing to kill their own president, willing to kill their own astronauts, willing to kill 58, 200 of their own soldiers, I think they're willing to fake an image on TV. But what this means is, this is our government.

Bart Sibrel: They are murderers and embezzlers, right? They are destroying life, killing their own people. They're destroying liberty. I have to ask permission to have more than four people at my son's birthday party in California. And if I have five people there instead of four, they will turn off my electricity and drag me off to jail.

Bart Sibrel: That is slavery, not freedom. I have to ask permission to open my business, ask permission to go shopping. That's slavery. How is that freedom? It's the exact opposite of freedom. So they've taken away [00:20:00] life, they've taken away liberty, and if the pursuit of happiness is going to church or opening my business, they've taken that away.

Bart Sibrel: I don't care if 9 people are dropping dead. It is my right to go shopping under those circumstances or to open my business under those circumstances. After all, 10% of the people are still alive. They need to buy tuna fish and toilet paper. Can't I sell it to them? This is ridiculous. And as a doctor, I'm sure you know something that many people don't know.

Bart Sibrel: We're told we're the most free nation on earth when we're the most enslaved. And we're told we have the best health care in the world when it's the worst. Because if you remove... heart disease and cancer from the number one and number two cause of death, number three is medical malpractice. It's a statistical fact.

Bart Sibrel: And then, you have seventy percent of Americans taking prescription medicine. That means that seventy percent of Americans [00:21:00] are sick all the time. If there's any nation on earth That has 70% of their people sick all the time. That country has the worst healthcare in the world. Absolutely. And we're told it's the best.

Bart Sibrel: It just boggles the mind.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I actually had a doctor chastise me because I had a patient. I saw the patient, and this guy was reviewing my chart, and I saw the patient, and he said, Oh, you took them off their blood pressure medication and their statins. Basically, how dare you? And it's isn't that our goal as primary care, as family medicine physicians?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To get people healthy so they don't need medications? Seemingly not. Seemingly it's to put them on more medications.

Bart Sibrel: Did you say that to that individual?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Didn't quite have the opportunity to. I can't divulge the particulars of that situation.

Bart Sibrel: No, but did you give them that rebuttal?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In the best way that I could at the time.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. And the patient was happy, like the patient had normal blood pressure.

Bart Sibrel: What was their response, what was their response to your rebuttal? [00:22:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Unfortunately, there was no back and forth, just the situation the way it played out. But the patient, their blood pressure was normal that day when I, and they hadn't taken it for weeks when I took them off of it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They were already off of it, and if you put someone on a blood pressure medication when they have normal blood pressure, they'll pass out and hurt themselves, bounce their head off the ground.

Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I don't know. It seems weird. And this is harder for people to see the moon landing fraud because they fallen in love with it.

Bart Sibrel: They, it is that candy. It's that Santa Claus for adults. And the longer it goes on that they claim they could play golf. And drive cars on the moon in the 60s, but today the best we can do is only orbit the moon with mannequins. Something's wrong with this picture. And and it just epitomizes just the total corruption and arrogance of the federal government.

Bart Sibrel: And I don't know what to say. You know the [00:23:00] Bible. When Jesus warns, I think it's in Matthew 25, that the tribulation in the last days will be greater. I believe because we'll have multiple tribulations going on simultaneously. We'll have pandemics, food shortages, war, earthquakes, and meteor showers all going on at the same time, in my opinion.

Bart Sibrel: And then he says, unless God intervenes, No one will be saved. So I interpret that to mean that the evil people who run the world They're gonna succeed and they're gonna gain the world and lose their soul technically honest people in government in society could Change their government, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

Bart Sibrel: No offense Sam. I could do 300 push ups a day That's not gonna happen right now And you go to any restaurant, you see this Sam, go to any restaurant, get up, walk around. And [00:24:00] 90% of the people at the tables have their faces in their cell phone instead of talking to the person next to them that they went to the restaurant to have fellowship with.

Bart Sibrel: How can we, when we watch two and a half weeks of television per month, two and a half work weeks worth of time, change the world? We're literally hypnotized. All that we heard, we're hypnotizing ourselves. Everyone lives in a virtual reality. And then the sad thing is I have a nephew. I go over to his house, I'm like his favorite, Uncle Bart.

Bart Sibrel: And then as soon as I get a hug, he sits beside me on the couch, watching videos on a cell phone on YouTube. So I'm sorry, and I'm like, you don't want to talk to people here with your favorite uncle. What's happened to people and it's making people crazy is what it's doing. And when you're like that, you cannot perceive the truth and how ironic, the film, which you can see for free.

Bart Sibrel: It's a braille dot com. A funny thing happened [00:25:00] on the way to the moon. financed a million dollars by someone who builds rockets for NASA who knows the moon missions are fake, it opens up with the Tower of Babel. To boast, it says Genesis 6 to be the best, the nation, the tallest building in the world, never finished.

Bart Sibrel: And the Titanic, in 1912, the largest machine ever built by the hand of man, they put in publicity posters. The ship that God himself could not sink. I think God rebuked that. Also, never finished. And then tricky Dick Nixon, when he knew they were not on the moon, said anyway. Putting a man on the moon is the greatest event since God made the universe.

Bart Sibrel: How about that? How ironic, in our fallen world, that world leaders, knowing they're not on the moon, have the arrogance to say that, and that mankind's greatest accomplishment is a [00:26:00] complete lie, in a world run by, Satan. I remember once, Sam, I went to a midweek at a church, where, if you go to midweek, it's a little more interactive, it's not like...

Bart Sibrel: On the Sabbath, whatever day that is for you. Where you basically listen, it's more interchange. And the preacher on a Wednesday said Who's the Lord of the Earth? And everyone's Jesus! And he says, Wrong. Read your Bible. Luke chapter 4. He's being tempted. Satan takes him to a tall, pinnacle of a mountain, and says, bow down and worship Satan, and he'll give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, because they belong to Satan, and he can give them to his people.

Bart Sibrel: That's why the world leaders are corrupt. They kill and steal and destroy and lie. A guy's running for president, says, I will not make. Medicine mandatory, I promise. Six weeks later, he makes it mandatory. Why [00:27:00] isn't it a law that if a politician makes a pledge and doesn't fulfill it, they are immediately thrown in jail for lying and kicked out of office?

Bart Sibrel: That would be a good law. It would be a fair law, right? It just boggles the mind. 90% of Americans wanted to know whether their ketchup or oatmeal contained genetically modified ingredients. GMO labeling. 90% of Americans wanted it. The president vetoed it. Now, I thought a democracy was 51% having their way.

Bart Sibrel: 90% cannot have their way. Congress and the Senate didn't vote to fake the moon landing and to kill President Kennedy. They did it anyway. So voting is meaningless. Just ask Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders if an outsider can ascend to the top. And they will not let that happen. I don't see how it's legal for Bernie Sanders to receive [00:28:00] twice as many votes as Clinton, and yet she gets more delegates anyway.

Bart Sibrel: How can that possibly be legal? And when someone leaks out that information, it's being rigged. The FBI doesn't go after the rigging of an election. They go after the person who leaked the rigging of the election. That's who the FBI targeted. This is our country. William Benny works for the NSA for 30 years.

Bart Sibrel: Goes on national television. Says, Oh, by the way, we spy on the private cell phone conversations of Supreme Court justices in order to get financial and sexual impropriety on them so that we can blackmail them to vote the way we tell them. It's an established fact, not a single investigation by Congress or the Justice Department into Supreme Court justices being blackmailed by the NSA, which no one contradicted as not being true.

Bart Sibrel: This is our country. How? What is going [00:29:00] on? So faking an image on a television is nothing compared to blackmailing Supreme Court justices, killing astronauts, killing presidents, killing veterans without cause. And it goes on and on.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. That's just an amazing summary because I'll give you my quick example.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm one of three, actually to Three others, so there's a total of four of us Defense Military Epidemiologic Database Whistleblowers. And so what we said is, hey, there is a huge safety signal here. We're seeing a thousand percent increase in this diagnosis. We're seeing a four hundred percent increase in cancers and deep vein thrombosis and all these issues.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And these are... only in active duty service members, and we came out with that information. And Senator Ron Johnson wrote a letter to the secretary of defense. He said, preserve this information, keep it safe. And I need to look into it. And then about a week later, the database was taken down. The entire thing was changed and then put back up, which means.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It took a conspiracy, more than one person, [00:30:00] to take the database down and change all the information, which is the forward facing eyes of the medical system for the military aiding and abetting the enemy, so it's conspiracy to commit treason, and yet nothing's happened.

Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I know. It's people, because you're, we're in the military, and oath of office, I presume, still of police officers, to protect America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Bart Sibrel: Domestic, right? Do you really think China... Russia wants to be at war with their best customer, the United States of America, where if we were destroyed, their economy would collapse for decades, right? Do you really think Russia, who has, one tenth of the nuclear weapons we do, want to start a nuclear war and be dead?

Bart Sibrel: Bombed into oblivion? No, of course not. They may be a competitor, but they're not really a threat. So to constantly blame Russia, constantly [00:31:00] blame China, is only misdirection because the perpetrators are in the federal government. Who killed Kennedy? The federal government. The CIA. Who faked the moon landing?

Bart Sibrel: The federal government. Who did 9 11? 3, 000 architects and engineers. Say it's impossible, mechanically, for a pinhole airplane to go in and out of a steel grid and cause it to collapse. All you gotta do is look at a picture of the Oklahoma City bombing. Half the building's blown away and the thing stood because it's a grid.

Bart Sibrel: A pinhole in and out of an airplane cannot cause its collapse if half the building blown away won't cause its collapse. Three thousand architects and engineers risked their reputations, their livelihood, saying this is a fact. 20 years later, nothing done about it. It just boggles the mind. It's done right out in the open.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What's interesting is I had this realization today about you're, in the book 1984 there are about three or four different [00:32:00] countries, and they're always, at war, changing their alliances, one the other, and changing alliances, so they can control the people. And what you just said about Russia and China, it's, makes you begin to wonder, are, is there something of that situation going on now?

Bart Sibrel: The CIA is madly in love with the Chinese government. They wish they could get away with what they get away with in China. And so if there is a war in the future with China, it'll be completely staged. I'm not saying people won't be killed, and things won't be bombed, and military hardware won't be destroyed.

Bart Sibrel: But it will be orchestrated like a script between the CIA and the Chinese government. Get their whatever goal is. It's my opinion that this little thing we've been going through for the last three years, and of course my opinion is simply the opinion of the experts I've interviewed or watched interviews with.

Bart Sibrel: If a former [00:33:00] vice president of the pharmaceutical company who's selling the medicine says there is no illness circulating around, they're making it up. I believe him. And if he says this medicine is dangerous and likely going to kill off millions of people, I believe him. I take it to the next step. Why are they doing that?

Bart Sibrel: I believe there's a cosmic event heading toward Earth. Something from outer space. The big clue is Janet Napolitano's farewell address. Like Eisenhower's farewell address. Military Industrial Complex Warning. She said on her last day in office a natural disaster is coming that has never happened before in the history of America.

Bart Sibrel: Her successor is going to need a big bottle of Tylenol to deal with it. There's three clues here. What's coming is a natural disaster. It's a natural disaster that has never happened in America. And a [00:34:00] third hidden clue, a natural disaster that somehow you could know about years in advance. We've had volcanoes and earthquakes and hurricanes, and you can't predict those years in advance.

Bart Sibrel: We've never had a meteor or comet, and you can predict it in advance, even though it's a natural disaster. That's the only one that fits all of this. I believe that event is coming. I believe this little thing of the last three years is to lower the number of people on the Earth in preparation.

Bart Sibrel: For that event, like a firefighter setting a fire to stop a fire. In their minds, if a solar system event happens, half the people on the earth could die in one year. That's too many people, too quickly, in their minds. So they are lowering the number of people gradually. In preparation for that event.

Bart Sibrel: Regarding the moon landing, I think they'll just keep [00:35:00] postponing, returning to the moon, because 10 presidents have said 10 times they're gonna return to the moon in 5 years and never done it. They'll just keep postponing it until there's a global collapse, global pandemic, meteor shower, whatever, and then no one will care who shot JFK or if the moon landing is real or not.

Bart Sibrel: This is what's coming down the pike. And secular people think so, and biblical people think so. And when secular analysis lines up with the book of Revelation exactly, I say these events are very likely to happen, and likely in the near future. Yeah,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's stunning. It's I feel we are headed for a babble moment because our language needs to be confused.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We're toying with making a, and I'm using this lowercase g, making a god who will seem like a god to us. With AI, certainly not the God of the Universe, but something that, that thinks in levels that we can't think at speeds that we can't [00:36:00] even begin to comprehend, that could, with its own existence and feel that it needs to destroy us.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's been many movies that have portrayed this idea. And here we are just playing with it, and it's called Chat B T, GPT 3. And then six months later, they come up with... Chat beat GPT 4, which is 90% better. We have no idea what we're toying with and what we're doing. And it would actually probably be a godsend for him to come and confuse our language for as disastrous as I understand that is and how dangerous and how many people would die in a situation where our languages of ones and zeros gets confused, that would be better than allowing the AI to continue.

Bart Sibrel: They've, they have some technology they don't share, like there's a lot of space based weapons that can just zap a building and don't need to drop a bomb, don't need to send a missile. Those are kind of aces in the hole, the intelligence agencies use, and they don't talk about it because then there won't be...

Bart Sibrel: Need for all [00:37:00] these ships and aircraft that they keep making money off of. And so another technology that's been around for a while, probably a little bit more than 20 years, is AI's ability to write software. And the, and for basically write self Fixing software. You know how you have upgrades, there's a bug, there's a bug, there's a bug.

Bart Sibrel: Redownload the software. This software fixes itself. It finds its own problems and it super Makes the software super duper efficient. And it just keeps improving. All that to say, when you have a being, who's basically number one goal is to be efficient, it has, of course, no compassion.

Bart Sibrel: And the executive producer of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, the one who was the multi millionaire, who gave us the money, he had a company with several [00:38:00] employees. A lot. And he was concerned. He constantly thought about his company's success, keeping it successful because scores and scores of families depended on him to pay their mortgage.

Bart Sibrel: And this guy at the time he had that compassion was an atheist, he still had compassion in him, even as an atheist. An AI does not. And it's like a reptile. There's an account, true story, about this young man, I guess as a maybe adolescent, 10, 12 year old, gets a boa constrictor as a birthday gift, it's like a foot and a half long, and then it becomes 2 feet long, and 3 feet long, and 4 feet long, and then 6 feet long, and 8 feet long, and so by the time he's 24 and about to get married, it's 8 feet long, and I'm sure his wife wasn't thrilled about having that in the house, but, he's had it for all these years, and I guess I gotta take the good with the bad.

Bart Sibrel: And then, the [00:39:00] couple eventually has a toddler son. And they, there's a picture of them sitting on the couch with the big snake across their lap and the baby's hand, petting the head of the snake, which is about the size of a dinner plate. And, lo and behold, A year or so after that picture was taken, they come home, and they find the snake with the toddler's leg down its throat.

Bart Sibrel: You would think the snake would, know that this is their child, their precious child. And, but... Doesn't care. And yeah, the AI is like that. It's just doing its job of being super efficient. And if it can use 1% less electricity by killing 1 million people, it might choose to do that.

Bart Sibrel: You gotta be really careful. The thing is, they really don't have what's the right word an existence. They're not a true being. Consciousness. They don't truly [00:40:00] have consciousness. It's not possible. However, they can be super efficient and mimic conversation and things like that. I actually came up with a test that's infallible, I believe.

Bart Sibrel: That would test whether or not an AI has true consciousness or not. But in any case, no, I'm going to keep that a secret. Hopefully sell it for a million dollars. But and he'll agree when he hears it, that this is absolutely foolproof and genuine way of testing whether AI, anyone who hears it will agree.

Bart Sibrel: But anyway, I don't think it's ever possible, but if they're ever put in charge. of human decisions. Yeah, it could be disastrous. One of the things that could be motivation for these people who want to lower the population is the fact that they don't need all these people anymore. [00:41:00] I have a podcast you can subscribe to if you go to Sobrelle.

Bart Sibrel: com It's ten dollars a month. It's called Bart Sobrelle's Box Escape. If you want to think outside of the box, even of the alternative media, which can be led astray. And I think episode one, and when you subscribe, you get all the past episodes, is, I think I called it Hitler Jr. Because the World Economic Forum, whose logo, right there out in the open, It's three sixes, 666, in the plain sight, right in their logo.

Bart Sibrel: The people who run the world, their chief advisor says, quote, We've got three to four billion useless people on the earth. What are we going to do to get rid of them? Or words to that effect. And, yeah, that's him. And I was like, wow. Just how can, I've seen people without a soul, you could say, or without compassion or whatever you want to call it.

Bart Sibrel: I've seen them. Most of them were CIA agents trying to kill me. And [00:42:00] it's amazing when you meet another human being and you look them in the eye. And they would kill you and go home and have a fried chicken dinner and not think about it. You know what I mean? It, there are people like that.

Bart Sibrel: It's like a great white shark looking into their eye. There's nobody at home, there's no soul. And I've met people like that. And, I could even say I've been like that. When I argue with people I don't know how it is, I've never officially been in the military, but, to be at war and to kill people you have to throw a switch in your mind.

Bart Sibrel: And to do it. And I've thrown that switch in my mind when I'm mad at people to just be callous and heartless or whatever. And the Bible warns about this. That people's consciousness can be seared, as with the hot iron, to where they basically close the door on themselves to their own redemption.

Bart Sibrel: Making it theoretically impossible for themselves to ever be saved of their own choosing. To become a [00:43:00] snake. To become compassionless. It just boggles the mind that someone would articulate and brag on media, and be the consultant to the people who run the world, who want to lower the population, saying we have useless people.

Bart Sibrel: The guy's Jewish, and that's what, they used to say about the Jews, useless eaters. And how can he pare it back the same thing as a Jew? I just have no idea how he could possibly do that. But, these are dangerous times. The people who run the world want to get rid of 95% of us. They say it as their goal, over and over again.

Bart Sibrel: I don't think they're twiddling their thumbs, hoping for that it's just going to happen. I think they have a plan, and I think that plan is well underway.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it's the unseen realm. Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and principalities of darkness that they talk about in Ephesians.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's not even, the curtain has been pulled back. It is a full force of battle. War going on in front of our face at [00:44:00] this very moment, and it's almost impossible to not see it. And, people are still responsible for what they do, even though our battle is not with them in particular.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's with this unseen realm. This unseen realm has been around for millennia, and it knows what we do. It knows how to whisper in a man's ear and a woman's ear, and, Do this for you, it'll be good for you, and it destroys lives in the meantime. It knows how to trick people in that.

Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I've written a few articles.

Bart Sibrel: They're at Sibrell. com. You can scroll down about halfway. One is called, Are There Really Aliens? And, it's a pretty intense article. I spent hundreds of hours researching it and writing it. And, again, my opinion about this, that for the last three years and what the medicine means. It's just my, the opinion that I have studied of other doctors.

Bart Sibrel: People who used to work manufacturing and selling the medicine. I figure they know. And if it's their [00:45:00] opinion, it's not good for you. In their opinion, they're making an excuse to distribute it. I believe them. So the top two UFO researchers, who spent about four decades looking at alien abduction and UFOs and all this, independent of one another, finally came to the following conclusion, which was identical.

Bart Sibrel: Number one, aliens are real. Sorry, not aliens. UFOs are real. Number two they're not from outer space. They're from Earth. And number three, they're demonic. When people are being abducted, they invoke the name of Jesus, and the aliens run away. If they're really aliens from another planet, why would invoking the name of Sam, Bart, Buddha, or Jesus matter to them?

Bart Sibrel: And that they're real, people, I witnessed them coming out of the ocean, flying through the air, so they're real. They're real. But, they're not from outer space. They're from another dimension, and [00:46:00] that's what you're talking about in Ephesians 5. Our struggle is against the principalities in the hidden, unseen world, right?

Bart Sibrel: Jesus came from heaven, did he not? And how did he enter this realm? Through the human body. You see that? Did he not say heaven was within you? It's like there's an hourglass turned on its side. On the left is earth and on the right of the hourglass is heaven, and in the middle is the gate. Jesus is the gate for the sheep.

Bart Sibrel: The thief comes in another way. Jesus is God's only begotten son. Satan came in another way, right? He wasn't born, was he? And in order to get... To heaven we have to go through the gate, and I say heaven is physically within you in another dimension. You see that? Jesus came from heaven and came from a woman's body.

Bart Sibrel: He came [00:47:00] from heaven. It's in another dimension, literally inside of the woman's body. And so when we die, we don't ascend, it goes down. It comes out the other end. So there's something going on the other side. Scientists talk about this, Einstein talked about it, the quantum particles, one here, one there, antimatter, and there, there are demonic forces.

Bart Sibrel: Now, some people apparently intentionally worship Lucifer. They have 666 in their logo. Do all of the people who run the world do that? Does Bill Gates do that? I think in Bill Gates case, probably not, but he doesn't believe in God. What's left to come in and give him those little whispers in his ear like you talked about?

Bart Sibrel: Demons. Hey, why don't we do this? Why don't you do this? This idea. That idea. This is what's going on. I think this is why Jesus said, Love your enemy. And, of course, to me, that's the... Achilles heel of Christianity. People hold grudges. They think they have a [00:48:00] right not to talk to anybody ever again.

Bart Sibrel: Because they wronged them or crossed the line or whatever. That's not forgiveness. And he warns, I think, in Matthew 6. 15, if we do not forgive others, our sins will not be forgiven on Judgment Day. He said, if you only love people who love you, you're no different than a pagan non believer.

Bart Sibrel: They love people who love them and hate people who hate them. Love your enemies, because the demonic man was possessed, he was on the surface an enemy, but he was really sick, right? He was ill and needed compassion. And that's why love covers over a multitude of sins. And it says overcome evil with good.

Bart Sibrel: And so if we don't love our enemy, then we're not really Christians. And maybe if our enemies are, possessed of sorts. Everybody is a murderer if they've hated someone in their [00:49:00] heart, according to Jesus, right? And bill Gates is a lost sheep like we all were before we got saved. And all these other, quote, evil people who allegedly run the world and are out to do people harm, they're lost.

Bart Sibrel: Imagine the grand testimony if that guy from the Economic Forum or Bill Gates or George Soros or anybody we consider a boogeyman became converted and gave glory to God and repented of their sin. What a marvelous thing. And this is the state of things, and the moon landing, to me, the fraud, is just the epitome of the rule of Lucifer, of the United States government being super corrupt.

Bart Sibrel: And the fall of man, the folly of man, that our greatest accomplishment is a complete lie and incomplete, just like the ship that got him couldn't sink, and just like the tower to reach the heavens was never finished. This is the way that it is, and I go into great detail about [00:50:00] this with videos to back it up, and the book Moon Man at Sobrelle.

Bart Sibrel: com.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, there's, oh man, this went a great way, I love this. We didn't get to talk about all the things that I wanted to, but I think this was a different way, a better way probably something you don't typically get to talk about in other interviews. Thank you so much for going in depth in all of this.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I want to encourage people to go get your book. Listen to it. I listen to books. That's what I do. But the thing is, if you listen to a book on some sort of media, it's not yours. If someone wants to take it off your phone, it's gone. Just like U2, the band. Their album on my phone. I didn't want it there.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Someone can steal it, steal that information the same way. So buy the hard copy, put it on your shelf, and no one can touch it. He goes in depth into all of those arguments that he discussed at the beginning. And it's, it makes you wonder if they really did this, why would they have to fake anything?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because they'd have actual pictures. If they faked one thing, why would they need to do that? Unless it was all a big fraud, which that's the claim you [00:51:00] make. And I think it's the only logical explanation that one can get to.

Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I had to face facts. If you have cancer, do you want to know?

Bart Sibrel: Or do you want to live in denial? I think it's better to know. No one was a bigger fan of the moon landings than me. And for me to come out and say, Unfortunately, they were indeed falsified is a big deal. And what can you do? We live in a fallen world with arrogant, murderous, embezzling government leaders.

Bart Sibrel: That's just the way that it is. Better to know that than to pretend that it's not that way.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, I have a question. And I wanted, I was asked to ask what a previous guest, his name was Flat Earth Dave Weiss. And this doctor friend of mine wanted me to, cause he doesn't believe the moon is where we think it is.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm not putting that belief on you, that is, that's a different man with a different idea. But. He doesn't believe we've been to the moon either. And this doctor friend of mine asked, wanted me to ask him, and I'm going to ask you the same question. Have we [00:52:00] ever been to the moon in any other form or fashion, or not the way that Apollo, the Apollo mission went?

Bart Sibrel: I think there are probes on the moon. I think the Chinese probes are genuine. And I think maybe NASA sent a probe to the moon. You can x ray a toaster a thousand times, and it'll still make toast. But you can't do that to a human, and this is why there's mannequins orbiting the moon. Because they have to go through a field of radiation that NASA's own Kelly Smith says is deadly and that the technology necessary to pass through it and survive has yet to be invented.

Bart Sibrel: It's one of the clips in my book. And I believe the Earth is a sphere. I think that's misinformation to discredit people who know that the moon missions are fake. The fact is, we don't have to pass a geography exam to enter heaven. The Earth could be a triangle. That's not the issue. The issue is the corruption of the federal government.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Exactly. And it, all these answers my kind of thought on it is it's interesting to think about all of these ideas and [00:53:00] we'll get all the true answers someday in the future. But to expose fraud and lies is what we're called to do. Because otherwise we're allowing that to continue.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we're living that lie too.

Bart Sibrel: Yep. What can you do? Except pray. And save yourself from this corrupt generation.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. And where can people find you again?

Bart Sibrel: Yeah, just go to my last name, S as in Sam, I, B as in Boy, R E L, Sobrell. com.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:54:00]

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